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  1. I've been looking around at these mini washers... I like the one's with the 220 micron bag ou put into them, and I guess I'd have to modify the accordion hose to one that doesn't clog so much,,, but does anyone have a good suggestion to a good sturdy washer, possibly with a link? Thank you.
  2. Yes, @saxo those colors are crazy. And the aromas are absolutely stunning. They're temp driven to a certain extent, tho how much I still have to find out. Our winters are so mild compared to most places, or at least a lot of places. I"m running some more indoor, including a cut from this one. We'll see Thanks for saying hi
  3. Not chopped yet. They still have a ways to go. Like two weeks or a month,,, maybe longer???
  4. this plant is all deep purple now. still not ready to come down tho:
  5. Hi @Sacred Plant Warrior the one didn't snap, it split - on the one in the orange bucket when it rained. i tied it back together. Tho the one in the white pot is just propped up, not broken at all. these things are still going strong, btw - I think we've closed out 4 months of flower now:
  6. Yes about the way he spells, and the use of e$ko jargon, but the first thing that jumped out at me was that he named himself: e$kob@r If you're signing up for a new site, you have to create a moniker, you can also add a picture. This person chose a specific and known name and a logo. My guess is he did this to make himself recognizeable. IF someone didn't want to be recognized, they'd choose a name and logo that people wouldn't recognize. I guess that this person wants to be seen a certain way. Why? What's the function?
  7. Thank you! Although I've been smoking scissor-hash, I'll certainly post a smoke report in a month or so... keep on growing
  8. Yeah, I think it was him. I really thought it was an imposter, and was alarmed... Now I feel like I shoudl have just kept my mouth shut about it and waited. I still blindly step into traps that I set for myself... amazing :D
  9. Another nice shot since I"m in the midst:
  10. ... the reason I posted this essay on Improved Closet Hacks - aside from the basic idea that everyone interested in making beans should read it - is because I'm wanting to know who are the breeders out there that are actually doing at least this basic hack breeding in their programs. Does it exist? If so, who's doing it?
  11. RRS Improved Breeding for Closet Hacks Here is a simple model that can help explain how someone with as little as a 400watt garden and a flo clone bench could pull off an improved breeding project utilizing a derivitive of the RRS concept. This is not a strict blueprint, but just a general model that can be scaled up or down depending on the realities of the seed maker. In this case, I will assume that the clone bench is limited to 30 clones and the flower room limited to 20 flowering plants. Purists will find flaws in the model and and their insight is welcome as it can only add depth. However, I request that any that are not interested in the concept of improved breeding techniques to simple limit their participation to read only status. By all means questions about clarification are welcome, but ignorant attempts to discredit are not. As the starter of this thread, I ask the breeder mod to respect this wish and delete any extra "noise". If this isn't possible because of site policy, I will just remove this post and take it to a more selfish location FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=" Hope this enlightens some to the possibilities. ********************************************* Starting with two unrelated inbred lines, A and B. 1) Grow out the A line and select the top 5 males (Am1-5) and top 5 females (Af1-5) to use later: a) plant a little over twice the seeds your flower room can handle b) veg seedlings c) sex the seedlings d) select females for flower room and repot into final pots e) take 4 clones of each of these females f) flower males and females, may be cramped with the males to start, don't worry g) just before the males explode, remove, grade, select 5 best. h) prune these 5 males to remove all flowers and return to veg area i)harvest females, grade, and identify the top 5 j) keep the best two clones that represents each of the 5 selected females, discard the rest What you finish with is 15 clones and some sinse to enjoy personally or sell if that is your game. Whatever the route, this step has not cost the grower anything but a bit of space in the flo bench. 2) Grow out the B line and select the top 5 males (Bm) and top 5 females (Bf) to use later: Follow the procedure used in step 1 above. The net result should be another sinse crop and the flow bench contain 30 clones now. 5 Am clones labelled Am1 - Am5 2 sets of 5-Af clones labelled Af1-Af5 5 Bm clones labelled Bm1 - Bm5 2 sets of 5-Bf clones labelled Bf1-Bf5 3) Making the A and the BA seedlines Take the 5 Am and 1 copy of each of the Bf and Af clones and flower them out (15 total) allowing random pollination. You should end up with 10 seedlots divided into two groups of 5, the A group labelled A1-A5 and the BA group labelled BA1-BA5 4) Making the B and the AB seedlines Take the 5 Bm and 1 copy of each of the Bf and Af clones and flower them out (15 total) allowing random pollination. You should end up with 10 seedlots divided into two groups of 5, the B group labelled B1-B5 and the AB group labelled AB1-AB5. Be sure to make sure that the end numbers correspond to the same initial female clones. For instance, be sure that AB1 and A1 seedlines are from the same A1 mother. And that the BA1 and B1 seedlines came from the same B1 mother. The clone bench should be empty now and the breeder should have 5 packs of A seedline, 5 packs of the B seedline, 5 packs of AB seedline and 5 packs of the BA seedline making 20 packs of seed. 5) Grow out and rate the 5 packs of AB seedline. One could do them all at ounce, or divide it up over 6 sinse crops. Nothing wrong with a few sinse crops is there? For this model I will divide the task into the 6 sinse crops. 5a) Grow out as many of the AB1 seeds as your flower room can handle. This usually means planting a little over more than double the number of plants your room can handle and then just selecting the best females for flowering. Make backup clones of each female to be flowered and store them on the flo bench. Now take the number of plants your flowering room can hold (say 20 in this model) and divide this number by 5 and this is the number of keeper plants you want to identify from this crop (say 4). Use a standard score sheet system to score this crop and make notes for future reference if necessary. Identify and select the clones representing these 4 plants and toss the rest. Be sure to label them AB1. 5b-5e) repeat the 5a process for each of the seedlots labelled AB2 to AB5. You have now enjoyed 7 sinse crops and should end up with 20 clones on your clone bench if your flower room can hold 20 plants. There should be 4 of each group, be sure each group is properly labelled from AB1 - AB5. 5f) This is your eighth sinse crop and is where you grow the best of the best of the AB seedline. Randomly arrange these plants in your grow room and then flower them out. Score each plant and use the totals of each group of 4 to score each of the 5 groups. Rank the AB seedlines from best to worst. You can help your decision by referring to the data you also collected in the previous 5 grows. The point is to determine which of the 5 seedlots provided the best OVERALL results, not the best individuals Your clone bench should be empty again. 6a-6f) repeat the entire process from 5) above, but using the BA1 - BA5 seedlines instead. 7) with reference to steps 5a-5f, use the data data collected to determine your two top A seedlines, lets say that A5 ranked tops and A3 ranked second. This means that you can discard lots A1, A2 and lot A4 7a) Grow out as many plants of the A5 seedbatch as you can and select your top 3 males and top 3 females. Maintain clones of these 6 plants on your clone bench, cleartly labelled as Af1-Af3 and Am1-Am3. 7b) Grow out as many plants of the A3 seedline and select the best 2 males and best 2 females, clearly labelling them Af4-Af5 and Am4-Am5. Now be sure to have two copies of each Af clone for a total of 15 clones on the clone bench. Sound familiar? 8) Now repeat the processes in step 7 but with using the data collected in step6 to choose the top two B seedlines. Now you should have 30 clones on your clone bench representing: 5 Am clones labelled Am1 - Am5 2 sets of 5-Af clones labelled Af1-Af5 5 Bm clones labelled Bm1 - Bm5 2 sets of 5-Bf clones labelled Bf1-Bf5 Repeat the process in steps 3) and 4) so that you once again have seedlines labelled at A, B, AB, and BA. You have finished the first cycle of the breeding program and ready to start a second. It hasn't been quick but you have enjoyed alot of sinse along the way and the combined AB and BA seedlines represent a superior F1 seed product. Each step of RRS will just keep making it better. Now it's time to post, proof, and go back and edit the mistakes, haha. ************************************** BC Growers Association you say random pollination ,do you mean to tell me that you would let pollen from all choice five males pollinate the females .by doing this i would think that unless all your males all perfectly identical that you would still wind up with more inconsistancy with what seed you wound up producing ? Dont you think.I would much rather isolate 1 male for each catagorie of females then grow out the results taking clones from which produced best.Just my two cents if i misunderstood you the i appoligise Susy and rotty, thanks for bringing this up. Even though I've already answered this question a couple of times here and there, and get cranky when I keep getting asked to repeat myself, haha, adressing it again here with the model is a good idea. But I'll just start with a repost and then let you OR someone else base future questions on this instead of me starting over FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=" REPOSTS: >>>>>>>Which male's pollen am I collecting? How much pollen is coming from each male? If you collect on 1 day or collect over 30 days, you still have no idea what you have collected. Therefore, you never know when it has mixed well, or even what it contains. You're just hoping, and that is bad science. No it isn't bad science, it's about respecting some of the merrits of natural selection when they don't get in the way. Look again to dogs, the lines where man does the selections are suffering from inbreeding depression. Man has demonstrated that he isn't capable of breeding for fitness over the long haul, especially when controlling the exact nature of each cross. But the mongrel dogs are, generally speaking, healthy and don't share the diseases following the purebreds. Man rarely controls a mongrel cross, nature does. Nature is effective in maintaining fitness. Now in a room of mixed pollen, you must remember all the males are already there because they have been selected by the breeder. Is it such a bad thing to allow nature to have a say in weighting the genepool from amonst these "selected" males? I think not, I feel this is an excellent oportunity to allow nature to do her thing without interferring with our selective process. Remember, she doesn't get to act on all the males, just those we selected as superior. Plus if you really follow the model, you will see that each pollen pool is being selected for it's combining ability in an indirect fashion. This is what the reciprocol nature of the model accomplished. The females are selected on their ability to produce superior offspring with the pollen pool as a WHOLE. This happens on both sides and therefore with each cycle of the breeding program, more and more indirect selection is imposed on the pollen source while allowing nature to somewhat protect what man is incapable of, fitness or adapatability. (ok, I edited and added to this repost, haha) AND ANOTHER REPOST, PLEASE IGNORE THE TONE FOR THIS THREAD: Another area you closet hacks keep clinging to with complete devotion to ignorance is the mixed pollen. You keep claiming that selection has not been ,ade on the pollen source, but if you study my closet hack model, you will see that it is done twice with each generation. First time when choosing your top males. Second time when doing the RRS. The male selection is indirect, but still effectively there with each and every test cross. The pollen is being tested for it's ability to combine with the females. The pollen's role isn't missing, just not as obvious as the female's. 2) If you ever actually decided to open a book and study genetics, you would learn that one does not breed for polygenic low heritable traits such as yield and potency by using the individual plant test cross method. The breeder must select for families of superior plants to ensure a chance of maintaining all the genes that went into making the superior yield, potency, adaptability, or basically overall fitness. This is a fact of life whether you like it or not and I make every advanced genetics book out there ever written as my reference. All you have to do is read one to find this reality. ------------------ ************************************** BC Growers Association >>>>>>Ok i here what you are saying but i dont agree with random pollen from different males Agree or don't agree, but I'm basing my position on advanced breeding concepts, not personal "feelings". I have mentioned that this (family selection) is how one breeds for traits like yield, potency, and fitness, are you saying that this academic statement is incorrect? Do you have an academic argument against or just an emotional one? I didn't start this thread to discuss feelings and the other quasi sciences that runs traditional breeding concepts. The concepts of full sib vs half sib breeding methods is well researched and documented. If you can show that full sib breeding WON'T direct a breeding project into the right direction, please by all means share. Rotty, much of the dog model applies to cannabis, but the improved breeding options available to both is one thing that isn't. You painted a pretty picture of your breeding program and I salute you for wanted to raise the bar in your profession. However, it's also naive. I have seen a stud male become a celebrity on a north american scale and basically own any conformation show it entered. That stud's marketvalue was tops and the owner was able to be extremely picky as to who was allowed access to the stud services. And then when the dog reached about 8 years, it's genetics crumbled and instead of disclosing the problem to the breeding community, the owner quietly had the dog put down. Almost a decade later, seeing that dog's name in a pedigree makes that pedigree more valuable. No matter how hard you THINK you can control you genetics, you can't, and thinking you can is what has gotten many dog breeds like your rottys into the trouble they are. The dog breeding books can't consider the mixed pollen method because such a technique isn't practical for the dog breeding paradigm. However, before discounting it, you may want to read up a bit on manipulating quantitative or biometric genetics, particularly those with low heritability. Compare the pros/cons of full sib vs half sib breeding programs. One is faster, one is more practical, but both work. Plus, adding this knowledge, even if it isn't directly applicable to the methods available to a dog breeder, will help you better understand your selection choices. Hibe, I built the model by placing my head into the closet grower's paradigm and trying to create an RRS model based upon the constraints of that paradigm. Obviously such things as lightmovers and more lights would severely influence and improve the model and make it better. I just wanted to create a model that addresses every closet hack's arguments against even trying to try an improved breeding method. Just creating a starting point based on the reality that closet growers ARE going to continue breeding seeds for the market because the market is going to continue buying them. So, which is better, my flawed RRS model, or the closet hack one on one method? Just opening doors with the prototype here. Like yourself, I will let the end users come up with ways to upgrade the model into a "higher performance" one. Definately feel I have done more than enough spoonfeeding so far. FPRIVATE "TYPE=PICT;ALT=" ********************************************** the delete pool: >>>>>>Well Vic I se holes all over your RRS therory. The biggest and most glaring is in not selecting individuals but selecting groups based on yeild. What have flower/grain producers been doing for centuries. Selecting the biggest and best to improve the quality of bloom and the heaviest seed heads. How do you think field crops and land races were developed? When picking the top seed heads in the field, did they know which males did the pollination? How often do they know when breeding modern field crops? Almost never. I'm not interested in your "beliefs", I'm interested in arguments based upon academic principles. Maybe I'm being overly harsh with you (you can thank toad, memy, joey, etc) but until you can offer some, your participation is not warranted. >>>>>First and I think most will agree that to grow 20 plants under a 400w, is impossible except in a SOG. If you don't know how, and I have demonstrated how in the past, this thread isn't for you. Your immature persepective is welcome, leave. >>>>>>Now you are going to grow and evaluate 4 plants from her, right. another reason you should be banned from this thread, your reading and comprehension skills are not suitable for the educational level of this thread. Stay out of it until you have finished high school. Mod please delete toads rubbish or give me the keys to do iut myself. ------------------ ************************************** BC Growers Association
  12. This! This is something I've been wondering about for a long time. Basically, who in the world today is doing true breeding, applying true breeding, to making pot seeds? A long time ago I read an article by, I think it was Vic High, from BCGA, about closet hacking (I'll look it up and post it). basically he states that it's possible to do true breeding in a closet, and then sets forth to explain how. I've always liked this article, but what's amazing to me is that I have not really seen anyone come close to doing it. What I mean by "doing it" is to use more than 1+1 breeding, which seems to be the most dominant form of pot breeding today. Doing it means to use more than one father and one mother for breeding. Instead using like, lets just say, 5 chose females from an IBL, and five chosen males form another IBL, and then create offspring with them. So,,, who is making seeds with at least 5 chosen IBL females and 5 chosen IBL males? I think Karma might be. The Real Seed Company is getting stock from native sources and I think they're truly concerned with not bottlenecking the genetics,,, I don't think Bodhi is,,, and TBH I'm not concerning myself with who isn't,,, shit MOST aren't. Rather, who is doing this basic form of breeding? I want to know so I can support them.
  13. ??? or like Russian fake news I saw this on another site: e$kob@r Member Dec 1, 2019 Add bookmark #1 Hello fellow growers. I supose my name will ring some bells for some of the old timers. It is me, the original. The weirdo bean adventurer since ... uhm ... long time ago. Still making seeds, but not for the commercial market or any breeders since a few years. It's just to be amongst growers n blowers and to have some serious FUN. The breeding projects kept going on the last years in the shadow. I saw a flood of cookies, kush and many many indica's. Tested out allot of them, not many made it to my stable. If genetics are not special or a novelty adventure, i erase them without any regrets. Many people i know since long now have become breeders with own brands. Good luck to them. The future for me is to further hunt elite clones in my extremly large seedcollection, learn to know them, get experienced in them and breed new things. Combine new vs old but also keep the old genepools alive. My old elite clone stable can still compete todays seedworld. When i reply on threads i will always give my own judgement, in a friendly and polite way. ... I don't know if it him or a poseur .... don't know who this is but they're posting as if
  14. here's some more from the same OD plant. Structurally a nice kush/sativa cross, and the aromas are raspberry and chocolate,,, and very very strong.
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