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Seemed like forever to get these going. Get set up, order seeds, wait..........wait...........wait...........lol. Have LOTS going right now, but my whole grow WAS about these lil Girls. Just now getting to them. About DAMN TIME!!!!! So, got the seeds............was pissed about them. They were young, very small, very light, even bitched about it to the "maker":wall: . As it turns out, the seeds were just fine, VERY viable, lol, and I have made amends to the "maker".........lol..... Threw 10 down, all 10 came up within hours....... Decided to give them their own Cab and light setup............for now anyways, till a real Cab opens and they are big enough to turn. Go to the Hydro store, have made friends with the owner, to get another CFL...........to veg the S.P. under, as ALL my lights are being used!!! Let him talk me into a T5. Never used one, never even seen one before........VERY COOL........IF........it throws enough PAR. Not too sure, he swears it will!!! Gave me good deal on a 8 tube SQUARE set up. I like it so far. Lets see if it works well. My whole plan with The Sugar Punch is to keep them tight on the dirt. Just blast them with lumen's keep them short as I can. No cutting, but I will pinch the crap out of them. Was gonna throw a 400 MH on them, but my friend tells me this will work just fine, and I can keep it real close. Sure hope he knows of what he speaks!!! They have a wicked stretch, I have little headroom here, so they are gonna be trained from the get go to go wide, not tall. This T5 thing better not let me down and let them stretch, would not be good at this point. I will let them go 2 days and see whats what. If they are coming up much, I'm putting a big light on them. I put down 10, all came up in less than 30 hours. All were healthy, none had issues. I'm down to 6 nowo_O The friend that gave me "Cloud Watcher" , which is just superb, needed to be gifted..............he gave me something SPECIAL, I wanted to do something for him, so I gave him 2 seedlings. The friend who got for me The White Widow(special too!!!) and Euphoria, and TrainWreck, well, he went WAY out of his way, spent much time, and I gave him 2 seedlings also. Funny thing is..........neither has ANY CLUE what Sugar Punch is, lol.........and to be real honest, lol, I do not think either one cares........lol........but THEY DID appreciate the gifts!!!! Lets see if this Lady lives up to her hype. I have 6 healthy females to work with, I'm gonna give these my best shot!!!!