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I found feather meal, will supply N late in flower, when added in in  my mix. It just takes a 6+ weeks to start giving up the N value.

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Hit these two (Uzbekistan x Nepalma) ladies with G13 Hazeplant and Haze pollen.

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This is the lower bud that I pollinated. The trichome coverage on it speaks for itself.

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Wedding Cake x ON Haze

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Blue Dream x ON Haze

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On 12/29/2021 at 3:25 PM, e$kob@r said:

Can you measure pfd of the leds at canopy? Could be totally non nutrients relevant but LED burn, it can be combination.(i have melted some plants myself first startup leds)
Nitrogen in this fase must be very low, this far in flowering N defiency? and below still some greener leaves. Nah.
While the leaf tips curl downwards (could be genetics)

Mg and Ca decrease K uptake.

The nutrients were there and maybe not possible to uptake.

Just brainstorming ...

I believe I figured it out.

I'm using a new (to me), overly complicated line of nutrients that my local grow shop sells. My problems started when I added additional P, according to their feed schedule. I think the P might have interfered with K uptake. Then I mistook the yellowing for low N...

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Damn Halforc that is a beauty!! Love some good basil also!! I do not know that strain, sounds delicious!!

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Thanks webeblzr, This was about the only one to not get eaten by rats and rabbits or be a male haha.

I can’t find anything about it online now but I’m almost certain it was a once off Dynasty genetics freebie I got from JBC and I think it was Ms. Universe x Agent Orange. But I’ve never seen Dynasty use Agent Orange anywhere else so I’m probably wrong lol . Anyway, the stem smells of oranges so I might be half right hahaha.

Yeah I friggin love Basil too, mmmm pesto..

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3 hours ago, Halforc said:

Thanks webeblzr, This was about the only one to not get eaten by rats and rabbits or be a male haha.

I can’t find anything about it online now but I’m almost certain it was a once off Dynasty genetics freebie I got from JBC and I think it was Ms. Universe x Agent Orange. But I’ve never seen Dynasty use Agent Orange anywhere else so I’m probably wrong lol . Anyway, the stem smells of oranges so I might be half right hahaha.

Yeah I friggin love Basil too, mmmm pesto..

That sounds really nice, I loved Agent Orange when I grew her, straight-up Orange, but her genetics changed over time and did not smell any longer.

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Another pheno from Strawberry Rain (4 keepers in total collected in the last years)
3 weeks to go

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Wow.   Anyone remember the 1000 watt metal halide street lamps growers used in 1988?   How times have changed!    
 

I just got some seeds for a strain called Dynamite from Next Generation Seeds I really liked while in Colorado I’m going to run with my old HPS stuff I haven’t used in 5-6 years.   I believe I always got bigger buds with HPS than LEDs.   I doubt that’s true now the way you can dial in spectrums specific to the strains.  Getting so you need an advanced degree to grow commercial.    Kind of like brewing. 

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I'm thinking of going back to HIDs for my next grow, depending on temperatures. Last winter I needed supplemental heat. This winter seems milder, so far.

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3 hours ago, Misterdirt said:

I'm thinking of going back to HIDs for my next grow, depending on temperatures. Last winter I needed supplemental heat. This winter seems milder, so far.

I've been thinking hard about switching to leds in my flower room this year. I have my space dialed in pretty well environment wise and I wonder how complicated the switch might be. The thought of having to add a heat source really impacts the cost effectiveness I'm looking to achieve. Decisions, decisions. 

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55 minutes ago, BeachBud said:

I've been thinking hard about switching to leds in my flower room this year. I have my space dialed in pretty well environment wise and I wonder how complicated the switch might be. The thought of having to add a heat source really impacts the cost effectiveness I'm looking to achieve. Decisions, decisions. 

If conditions don't change much from now, I won't be switching back. My lights-on temperature is about 80-82 F. Lights off, it's almost the same as summer months, about 65 F. If it gets colder than that, I will try venting into the house instead of outside and see what happens. If that doesn't work out, I'll try HIDs.

Keep in mind that Michigan can get cold AF. I don't think you'll face the same problems.

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22 hours ago, dieseldog381 said:

Wow.   Anyone remember the 1000 watt metal halide street lamps growers used in 1988?   How times have changed!    
 

I just got some seeds for a strain called Dynamite from Next Generation Seeds I really liked while in Colorado I’m going to run with my old HPS stuff I haven’t used in 5-6 years.   I believe I always got bigger buds with HPS than LEDs.   I doubt that’s true now the way you can dial in spectrums specific to the strains.  Getting so you need an advanced degree to grow commercial.    Kind of like brewing. 

I can asure you that Dynamite and Blue Dynamite are very good strains! They can still compete todays strains.

I know and grow them since 15 years. You made a good choice.
There is no HID light that can compete a good LED. You are right that the buds are bigger from HID grows (cause of the IR radiation). But size does not matter (LOL), its weight, terps and potency.

IR radiation from HID lights make buds always more fluffy.

Led lights destroy HID easy. 200% up to 400% more yield, potency levels are of the charts. With less energy = more and better.

Buds that are that dense that even my Santa Cruz Shredder has some troubles crushing em.

I been phenohunting for over 20 years and have seen allot in HID ops. The moment i stepped over on HLG leds, i reviewed all my collection. What an amazing adventure that was!

Terp space station, had to double the carbon filter systems (in and out). Trimming buds has become a risk.

For LED growing you need= Leaf Temperature surface, Air temperature and RH = VPD. Its very important data.

Volumetric water dryback data = must have data.1345520229_2022-01-0800_35_44-ZENTRACloud.thumb.png.2759a8cf0ceaccf02d263e36cdbb12aa.png

Data of Saturation Extract Ec vs Bulk EC vs Pore water EC = must have data

All this data togheter = crop steering. Highly recommend it.

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Can I use both?  Lol.   I used to lay four foot hortilux high UV power strips underneath my canapy to increase uva exposure while running HPS.  Seemed to make a noticeable difference in frostiness.   When I first switched to LED’s I was running DWC, which was much twitchier than soil, a lot more can go wrong quickly in hydro.   Not so much in soil.   
 

Having been shut down for over a year, I have t kept up with the latest Led technology, I’m sure it’s changed.   I’d forgot about the heat issues.   I’m in the upper Midwest, was minus 5 F yesterday morning, and I also needed to pipe in heat with LED’s.   But, Man, they are simple!   None of that six inch ducting, cooling fans, sealed hoods, space age light diffusers, ballast noise, I used it all, what a pain in the ass, lol!   LED’s I just hang ‘em up and forget ‘em.   
 

Anyone know what you do with all that old HPS  light stuff?   I’ve got boxes of it!    Can’t exactly set it out with the trash that says “grow house here!”, lol.    Goodwill, maybe?   

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50 minutes ago, dieseldog381 said:

Anyone know what you do with all that old HPS  light stuff?   I’ve got boxes of it!    Can’t exactly set it out with the trash that says “grow house here!”, lol.    Goodwill, maybe?    

Seems like its the same problem everywhere ... Hammered the reflectors down, dismantled the Gavita Pro's untill not recognisable. Smashed 4 Adjusta Wings. Thors hammer went lose here. Never want to see this prehistoric stuff back.

@drip-n-wet That is FIRE!!!! LED ftw. Welcome back on OPG btw, nice to see you here

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I take my ballasts, anything metal to the scrap yard and they pay me FAR better then trying to give them away.

I've been a HLG fan boy for a long time now. However after a room I help out with, we packed it full of HLG's LED's the 550's were the hot lick then, we have had 3 that needed taken down, taken back to the shop. The first time, we picked out a new light kit, as the board was sent back. 

The second and third time, the shop had a box of drivers sent to it, and they swapped it out by the next day. BUT they sent a box of drivers to the shop, is there that many failures going on?

Is that a big deal, maybe not, but the folks that purchased them, a left wondering. It does expose you for the 60 mile round  trip. And the fact we spent $3800.00 on their top models, it shakes my trust in them.

I went with growlightsaustralia, that prawn connery designed, and grew with. The 4- 750 wideboard kits, even with shipping made it a worth my while to run them.

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4 hours ago, dieseldog381 said:

Can I use both?  Lol.   I used to lay four foot hortilux high UV power strips underneath my canapy to increase uva exposure while running HPS.  Seemed to make a noticeable difference in frostiness.   When I first switched to LED’s I was running DWC, which was much twitchier than soil, a lot more can go wrong quickly in hydro.   Not so much in soil.   
 

Having been shut down for over a year, I have t kept up with the latest Led technology, I’m sure it’s changed.   I’d forgot about the heat issues.   I’m in the upper Midwest, was minus 5 F yesterday morning, and I also needed to pipe in heat with LED’s.   But, Man, they are simple!   None of that six inch ducting, cooling fans, sealed hoods, space age light diffusers, ballast noise, I used it all, what a pain in the ass, lol!   LED’s I just hang ‘em up and forget ‘em.   
 

Anyone know what you do with all that old HPS  light stuff?   I’ve got boxes of it!    Can’t exactly set it out with the trash that says “grow house here!”, lol.    Goodwill, maybe?   

I've got both in one room, the bud does much better. Could not get heat high enough where as the other room I can, so put the 600 HPS back in there with the SKY, actually pretty perfect for large bud size.

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I really really really like the calyx bro gear frosty and sticky 

small tent 

 

bubble monkey 47 days

 

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On 1/9/2022 at 9:46 PM, Papalag said:

I really really really like the calyx bro gear frosty and sticky 

small tent 

 

bubble monkey 47 days

 

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Wow that looks really nice man. Stinky?

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On 1/8/2022 at 7:36 AM, e$kob@r said:

I can asure you that Dynamite and Blue Dynamite are very good strains! They can still compete todays strains.

I know and grow them since 15 years. You made a good choice.
There is no HID light that can compete a good LED. You are right that the buds are bigger from HID grows (cause of the IR radiation). But size does not matter (LOL), its weight, terps and potency.

IR radiation from HID lights make buds always more fluffy.

Led lights destroy HID easy. 200% up to 400% more yield, potency levels are of the charts. With less energy = more and better.

Buds that are that dense that even my Santa Cruz Shredder has some troubles crushing em.

I been phenohunting for over 20 years and have seen allot in HID ops. The moment i stepped over on HLG leds, i reviewed all my collection. What an amazing adventure that was!

Terp space station, had to double the carbon filter systems (in and out). Trimming buds has become a risk.

For LED growing you need= Leaf Temperature surface, Air temperature and RH = VPD. Its very important data.

Volumetric water dryback data = must have data.1345520229_2022-01-0800_35_44-ZENTRACloud.thumb.png.2759a8cf0ceaccf02d263e36cdbb12aa.png

Data of Saturation Extract Ec vs Bulk EC vs Pore water EC = must have data

All this data togheter = crop steering. Highly recommend it.

Hey e$kob@r sorry to bother you but I don’t suppose you would have any particular links or articles you wouldn’t mind sharing on the stuff you mentioned like VPD and crop steering? Sounds really interesting. 

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0EE00DF9-D1EF-4824-96B4-26C6CDEE13CE.thumb.jpeg.c4131890009356b2d787c463c3daeb9c.jpegSugarpunch #2 at 16 weeks. Big, loose and hairy. She’s not really ready but had to come down today. Not the frostiest or best SP I’ve grown but smells pretty good.

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