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Someone said something about bubble cloners I did make one in my grow thread but it is something I thought I would do here also

 

I call the tubblers because I make them with clear plastics tubs (boxes) they hold about 6 quarts of water and cost a couple of dollars

 

they are clear so I paint them with spray paint

 

do have to some say yes, some say no. but I do

 

the things you will need

 

a drill, a 1 1/4 inch hole saw because I plan on using 1 1/2 rockwool cubes, air pump , an airstone, some air hose, fishtank heater (if you need one) and a can of paint

 

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I take and mark the lid so I know where to cut the hole with my hole saw

 

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here is a shot of the lid with the holes cut and the tub painted I made mine with 15 clone sites but you can do less but with the rockwool cubes and this size tub 15 is about max

 

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do you have to paint them proablly not

 

but I always have, I seen them wrapped with duct tape , tin foil , etc to keep the light I do believe it is a good idea so you do not grow algae in your water

 

I burn a hole in the lid for the hose to go to the airstone , I just use a hot screw driver or a nail

 

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a shot with the airstone in the tub before the tub was painted , the air pumps I use are double outlets so I can connect two tubs to one pump if I am doing one tub I will use two airstones

 

more air the better

 

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that is about it for the bubblers that I make most of time is waiting for the paint to dry

 

you can use any size tub you want, have as many sites as you like, I use plain water in mine and I use rootech cloning gel on my cuts

 

I get 100% rooting in these but you have to watch your water temps if it is too cold they will root but way slow and if your water is too hot you will get stem rot

 

I never mist cuttings and never use a humidity dome

 

if you like to or feel the need by all means you should , at one time I used a rockwool conditioner to soak my cubes in but I have found that there is no need to do that so I don't

 

I just use water right out of the tap (well water here) but you can PH the water or used distilled if you feel you need to

 

next post will be clones

 

all the best and be well

 

Dequelo

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Ok some clones I had my plants in 12/12 for a week to get them to show sex after I culled the males as I am not making any seeds this run

 

on the advice of some fellow growers at another site I took some cuttings , only 15 as I have no room at this time but I could use some mother plants

 

after a week of 12/12 I gave them about 5 to 7 days of 16/8 to before I took my cuts

 

should you do it like I did I would say no but that is how I did this time

 

here are my 15 cuts in the cloner

 

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I do not have any better shots as I did not really plan to do this but you get the idea :rolleyes:

 

alls I did was cut 15 cutting from five of the 8 plants I have in flower

 

I chose them by how they grew because as of yet I have not smoked any of the weed

 

when I take cuttings alls I do is take a nice growing tip of the plant, dip it in the rootech clonig gel , stick it in the rockwool and wait for roots

 

after about a week

 

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some rooted really well and a few did not but I took them out of the cloner and potted them as they are 15 more plants then I need at this time

 

I had hoped that maybe a few would die but they did not

 

here is a shot the cutting potted up

 

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two by themselves

 

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next post I will so you them after about a week in soil

 

 

be safe and stay free

 

Dequelo

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here they are after a week in soil

 

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as you can see I do have a weak one

 

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but for now it is alive and a know female so I will be keeping it

 

these six I went thru and pick out to grow into mother plants for no other reasons then I liked they way they grew

 

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here are some shot of them alone

 

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I did go thru them and removed some foliage to help the new growth take off

 

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you more then likely can not see it that well in these shot but in the next ones you will be able to tell for sure

 

 

more to come

 

Dequelo

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I thought I had more photos of clones here but of course I do not so what I have is what I have for now

 

here is a shot so you can see what they look like before the repot with some of the leafs removed

 

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they have lots of nice new shoots that will cut into good clones

 

they are ready to be potted up to six inch pots, I have a shot of the roots before the repot but not here :rolleyes: I will put it up later

 

here they are in six inch square pots

 

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one has a burnt leaf as it was touching the light ....oops

 

a couple alone

 

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these plants will become stock plants to take cutting from the other seven will go outside this spring to grow into monsters (I hope) I will be growing them in seven gallon pots

 

even outside I still keep my plants in pots as it is ez to move them if there is a need

 

here is the weak one it is still growing so it is still with me

 

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I have more to add to this and when the mothers are ready I will be taking 36 or 72 cuttings to do a SOG in six inch pots just to be sure I do not run out of smoke over the summer

 

 

All the best and be safe my friends

 

Dequelo

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Nice Job Dequelo. What temperatures are you keeping your water.

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EDIT: How to quote, click here

 

mid 70s appears to work well but I have found colder is better then too hot

 

I only use a fishtank heater when the water is in the 60s as they will root slower then death but they will root and not rot

 

too hot they get stem rot pretty fast

 

I have seen people do these without the rockwool with little neoprene collars that work well

 

I saw a cloner like this back in 2000 on OG and had good luck with and stayed with it

 

back in a day we would root cuttings on flat tables in oasis root cubes with over head misters on timers

 

that was a pain in the ass, it did work and I have done thousands and thousands of poinsettias, geraniums and mums like that but you can get all kinds of baddies in a minute

 

I was going to buy a cloner but I just could not part with my money, so this is what I ended up with there may be better ways

 

it has worked well for me so I have stopped looking

 

great to see you my friend and be safe

 

Dequelo

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Hi D,

That's an interesting little bubbler. You leave quite a few leaves on your cuttings and no dome and yet...no wilting? That's excellent. I'm still trying to streamline my technique. I've got it dialed in pretty good. Rarely lose a clone and if I do, it's because I was cloning a flowering plant or some other situation that makes rooting more difficult. My biggest obstacle is getting them hardened-off so they can survive outside the dome. Obviously you've sidestep that issue.

 

Do you have any difficulties with leaving the rockwool in place. I hate to pull it off as root damage always occurs but I have had some problems with the cube staying too moist while imbedded in the medium. Can cause damp-off.

 

Thanks for the thread and I'll sure be following along.

Peace,

Dee

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Nicely done!!

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nice going D,this was what ive asked for :rolleyes: :D

think this will be a sticky

but a question?why do u cutt clones when yourre plants are blooming?

now u gett a revegged cloon,then u have 3/4 fingert leaves?

 

greetz blowfish

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why do u cutt clones when yourre plants are blooming?

 

most of the time I do not, most of the time I do not flower my plants until they are around 10 or 12 weeks old and they will show sex on their own

 

this time I flowered them a little early for me at 7 weeks , I was not going to take any clones but I did need some mother plants so I cut them

 

now u gett a revegged cloon,then u have 3/4 fingert leaves?

 

they were into flower good it has taken them almost 2 weeks of time after the repotting in soilless to go back into veg

 

that is with the light on 24/7 and feeding them with veg ferts at very watering

 

they are starting to put out normal leafs again

 

I am glad this is what you are looking for I will be cutting some clones in the next two or three weeks so you will get to see exactly how I do it, I need to finish the plants I have in flower so I have some room to work

 

all the best and be safe

 

Dequelo

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Do you have any difficulties with leaving the rockwool in place. I hate to pull it off as root damage always occurs but I have had some problems with the cube staying too moist while imbedded in the medium. Can cause damp-off.

 

I just pull off what I can of the rockwool it is only important to not have it sticking out above the soil as it will act as a wick and will dry out your roots

 

I have never had the problem with the cube staying wet below the soil as the soilless will pull the water out of the cube as it drys

 

but I am sure it could be a problem, as far as damping off that is more of a seedling problem with cuttings stem rot would be my worry

 

I pot my rooted cuttings in moist soilless and water just enough to not have air pockets

 

I like to run my clones in the begining on the dry side to get the roots to fill the pot

 

all the best and be well

 

Dequelo

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I'm in the process of building one of these. The paint's dryin...:rolleyes:

 

Of course I know I won't stop @ just 1...

 

Peace...wpw

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I forgot about this cut I had in a cup of water for a week...

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& this is what happened...:rolleyes:

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The paint is dry on the new clone machine...I just need room for it.

 

Peace...wpw

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@ WPW

I have always found that really it is a vigorus weed. But then you have seen those wild hemp fields too.

 

@Dequelo

I have been using similar cloners for maybe 2 years. I started with the rock wool cubes like you used and then just potted the whole cube and didn't even bother with trimming anything off with good success. Then one time i ran out of cubes and i had some of that insulation for pipe and used it with good success. Then recently I went to a hydro store and they had discs that worked very well.

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Hey Deq,

 

Very nicely laid out!! Beautiful job!! Beautiful girlies also!! Stay safe and healthy man!!

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nice going, i will build a similar system, small and efficent thats great! :wave:

 

and beautiful girls you have!

 

best of luck to you

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The tubblers work so well for me....typically I get roots in 5-7 days...although some take a lil longer...

 

Thread pinned!

 

Thanks D'...:jump:

 

Peace...wpw

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you mentioned every thing but what is the soil? and under what lights. great work my master grower.

 

p.s. all my seeds are doing well. in sexing now.

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This is a good thread. I made one of these a few days ago, but instead of using rockwool, I am using "rapid-rooter" plugs...so I cut the holes a little smaller. I am testing it out on some random plants before giving it a go with cannabis. The brown water is caused by the addition of 1tbsp/g of "Liquid Karma". Also, instead of using a water-heater, the whole thing is sitting on a hydro-farm propagation mat.

 

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I glued the stone down with a glue called "Sumo Glue"...apparently it's waterproof, and can even be used underwater...it even says so in the instruction booklet. It's fantastic stuff, only smells bad for 20 minutes, foams up and fills cracks automatically, and cures in 40 minutes.

 

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In addition to using "Liquid Karma", I also added 2 drops/gal of 35% H2O2 and 1-2 drops/gal of "Superthrive". The reason for adding "Liquid Karma" is that it contains two chemicals that are thought to boost root development: "Humic Acid" and "Fulvic Acid"...although not needed, it will without a doubt speed things along. Superthrive contains a "Rooting Hormone" called "Auxin"...just as with the "Liquid Karma", it is entirely optional. The purpose of adding hydrogen peroxide to the bubbler, is that it breaks down algae, dissolves any instances of "root rot", and promotes faster root development by releasing oxygen to the developing roots of your cuttings.

 

Botanicare is not the only company to offer these hormones in a commercial preparation; many companies are jumping on the Fulvic Acid/Humic Acid train. If when looking at most most major nutrient manufacturers' web pages, you choose "Oregon" labeling, you can get the exact amount of "active" ingredient in a product.

 

For example, Advanced Nutrients is putting out JUST Fulvic or JUST Humic...sitting at 7% according to "Oregon Specific" labeling:

 

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this looks like a cool thing to try nice job

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I'm curious to see how the rapid rooters work in it...I hold my stones down w/ a couple of u-bolts as weight.

 

Algae will be something to watch out for w/ the clear bottom, Kiefer...I used aluminum tape all over mine...;)

 

I love my bubble cloner!

 

Peace...wpw

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I love Liquid Karma, from transplanting to hydro systems to soil, i love it. I use it virtually every time i water. I edited this post because im a dumbass.

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One shiva clone in a hydrobucket that recieved nothing but Pure Blend Pro and Liquid Karma under a 400 watt MH. it wwas my mother for a long time and put out top notch cuttings.

 

 

UM

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um, i was only talking about the bubble cloners or cloning in general.....it is not necessary to use anything but water.....

 

i use LK throughout my grow, just not cloning....

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