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As long as men and women stand ready to fight for their principals then there is always a choice.

 

Choice? I don't think so, not the way this country is going. With the intent of the redistribution of wealth, health care for all at the expense of the few....you soon run out of other people's money.

 

There are no sound principles anymore, only the means of political survival witness the latest Nobel "peace" prize for our empty suited Nazi prez. This means to me that what I've busted my ass to work for, the government run by a few will not take from me for the sake of giving to others. I and my friends who believe in the U.S. Constitution will not allow this to happen. What we make, we shall keep. If you don't contribute, you starve.....it's that simple. If you are truly needy, then charity will provide.

 

UB

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Socialisem = Shared Poverty.

 

Thats equality isnt it?

 

Anyhow, if our dear leadership dosent want to tax cannabis they arent getting much from the likes of us.

 

 

The sad irony in my case, I finally got it together and saved some of what I worked so hard for. For the first time ever I have about a years pay set back, and Im going to watch the value of those dollars plumit in the face of global inflation.

 

Guess Id better get under that materess and do somthing constructive with it before its too late.

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Good morning Stonerz. I hope life is good for everyone. Not much happening here which is kinda the way that I like it, lol. Smoke em if ya gots em peoples

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Mornin' glories ~

 

Socialisem = Shared Poverty.

 

Thats equality isnt it?

 

You don't share poverty nor do you share wealth, you reap what you sow.

 

The sad irony in my case, I finally got it together and saved some of what I worked so hard for. For the first time ever I have about a years pay set back,

 

Congrats! That's how its done.

 

and Im going to watch the value of those dollars plumit in the face of global inflation.

 

Guess Id better get under that materess and do somthing constructive with it before its too late.

 

Lot's of ways to invest in an inflationary environment. I'd be buying real estate in this depressed market but don't wait too long, the housing market is rapidly improving and in most places here in Texas never really took a bad hit. Life is all about riding out The Cycles.

 

Success is an attitude, poverty is a choice,

UB :lol:

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Well Ben, it is shared poverty or redistribution as its now called, thats exactly why were all pissed off about it.

 

Im sure as hell not inclined to share that wealth, I not only had to work hard for it I had to give up all my fun time consumer habbits. Also I had to take the risk of growing my own pot if I want to smoke the stuff. Though Ill never be a social conservitave this experiance has made me a fiscal one. I learned the hard lesson everyone is learning now during the burst of the internet bubble after Amazon laid us all of in 2001. Im par for the course in the US so itl take the bulk of us till say 2016 at or so to snap out of it. The hardest part is giving up the debt we all love to carry so much. I had more than 15,000 in unattended baggage at the time. Now Im debt free and have a slowly growing surplus of nearly twice that.

 

The key here for the rest of you still enjoying a life of working poverty and debt is it doesnt happen fast. But if you dont get started it wont happen at all. Ive taken the time and effort over the last few years to readjust my personal finances to run at a profit, and Ive changed my attitude to accomidate it. It really is simple, its just not that easy. You have to see things in terms of annual cost rather than unit cost.

 

Let me give youall an axample we all understand;

 

Take say $50 a week for a bag of pot. Multipply that by 52 weeks a year $2600. Now shave that off the top of your annual income, which here averages about 20,000 per person unless your lucky enough to have a really good job. Now apply this to everything else you consume for fun, lattee cigarettes beer junkfood ect. Now take whats left of your income and apply it to your real annual cost of living say rent power food gas cable access insurance ect.

 

Most people get a negative number like I did when I discovered this formula.

 

A note to the unemployed, if you are that poor and have very few options, take the time to read up on the outdoor section spend winter getting what seed you can and go camping for a season. If its gonna take you 5 to 7 years to recover anyway whats the risk.

 

Now days I save a sevaral hundred a month faithfully, and buy durable goods for fun, things that last more than a week. And Yes I grow my own pot. Im essentially paying myself a hundreds a month to be boreing. You can also work more than one full time job. I was painting apartments at nite and weekends after my shift at the lumbermill to get outa debt. I woke up every morning at 5 AM to cheap coffee asperin and a soak in the tub to dull the aches and pains from all that work. This went of for years. Now days I work for that same apartment company as a manager painter cleaner maintenance and yard guy. I took over as people quit until I could afford to leave the lumbermill. Its alot of work, in fact its Sunday today and Im off soon to finish painting an apartment change out a sink and toilet and maby clean a refrigerator after I check up on my seedlings.

 

I still drink cheap coffee and concider that a luxury.

 

So now;

 

I am currently shopping for a duplex so I can get a tennant or two to help me pay it off. Tennants are great, they are like roomates you dont have to share a kitchen and bathroom with. Ive been working in this business for years and its time I got in on it.

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Choice? I don't think so, not the way this country is going. With the intent of the redistribution of wealth, health care for all at the expense of the few....you soon run out of other people's money.

 

There are no sound principles anymore, only the means of political survival witness the latest Nobel "peace" prize for our empty suited Nazi prez. This means to me that what I've busted my ass to work for, the government run by a few will not take from me for the sake of giving to others. I and my friends who believe in the U.S. Constitution will not allow this to happen. What we make, we shall keep. If you don't contribute, you starve.....it's that simple. If you are truly needy, then charity will provide.

 

UB

 

Sure there is and I can't believe you're in disagreement since you used to be the one fond of saying that poverty and what not is a choice. You seem to be saying that based on how you see things going your choice is going to be to not pay taxes. It may not be an ideal choice but it's still a choice. I should point out though that the obligation to pay taxes on your income is part of the US Constitution that you believe in since 1913 when they added the 16th amendment. See that's the problem with this whole tactic the political parties use of "look how your tax dollars are being spent" it's not your tax dollars any more, once you pay your yearly taxes it's the government's tax dollars. You seem to think that if you cut out all welfare programs that Uncle Sam is going to say, "Gee we didn't need as much money from you as we thought, so here you go" and then hand you a nice fat refund. It just isn't going to happen, period. If they don't spend it on welfare they'll spend it on something else. All you can count on is they'll be there every year taking more. That and the fact that if you ever get an unexpected refund of tax dollars you paid in ala Bush's Tax Rebate or Obama's Stimulus checks, it's going to be done with money the government doesn't really have, thereby ensuring the need for you to keep paying in taxes just to cover the interest on the national debt.

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Well Ben, it is shared poverty or redistribution as its now called, thats exactly why were all pissed off about it.

 

Im sure as hell not inclined to share that wealth, I not only had to work hard for it I had to give up all my fun time consumer habbits. Also I had to take the risk of growing my own pot if I want to smoke the stuff. Though Ill never be a social conservitave this experiance has made me a fiscal one. I learned the hard lesson everyone is learning now during the burst of the internet bubble after Amazon laid us all of in 2001. Im par for the course in the US so itl take the bulk of us till say 2016 at or so to snap out of it. The hardest part is giving up the debt we all love to carry so much. I had more than 15,000 in unattended baggage at the time. Now Im debt free and have a slowly growing surplus of nearly twice that.

 

Wow, good on ya! You need to call up Dave Ramsey and do the ol "I'm debt free!" cheer. :lol: You can save money doing a number of things - growing your own food, careful shopping, etc. Speaking of which, I've bought a ton of great stuff from these two sites. Check them daily:

http://www.1saleaday.com/

http://www.woot.com/

 

The first one will even have free stuff, you just pay for shipping. I also buy high quality eyeglasses made in China for like $20.00 - $30.00. Just bought some wine from wine.woot.

 

BTW, I too am more of a fiscal rather than social conservative. I was watching Ty's "Home MakerOver" show last night and after about 15 of 'em had moved back into this now multi million dollar premise I turned to my wife and said, "I wonder if anyone has directed them to some behaviorial courses on maintenance?" The caretakers are to be commended regarding trying to support a bunch of lost kids, but you don't give up your comfort zone, your MO, without change. To change, you must first give up something.

 

I worked welfare cases for many years, and you could give a Mexican an oven, but teaching the why's and how's of cleaning that oven on a timely basis was another story. They just don't get it. I hate to sound jaded, but I'd like to see Ty's entitlers' house and yard one year after initial occupation.

 

Speaking of cleaning ovens, I tried the self-cleaning mode on ours yesterday for the first time, and holy shit, thought the house was gonna burn down! Wood trim got too hot to the touch, granite countertop was hot as hell. Oven turned out spotless though. :)

 

>>The key here for the rest of you still enjoying a life of working poverty and debt is it doesnt happen fast. But if you dont get started it wont happen at all. Ive taken the time and effort over the last few years to readjust my personal finances to run at a profit, and Ive changed my attitude to accomidate it. It really is simple, its just not that easy. You have to see things in terms of annual cost rather than unit cost.

>>

 

Smart. It's like taking a project that is overwhelming - you break it down into small portions and eventually you reach your goal. Again, the Dave Ramsey syndicated show is well worth listening to. Being in debt is a personal behaviorial issue, period.

 

Where I live you can't hardly exist working for the man. BUT, you can easily make a ton of money if you work for yourself in the right niche. Very soon I hope to be pulling in upper 5 digit numbers. I'll be putting most of it back into the biz for a few years but I can say I'm now on the map.

 

>>Now days I save a sevaral hundred a month faithfully, and buy durable goods for fun, things that last more than a week. And Yes I grow my own pot. Im essentially paying myself a hundreds a month to be boreing. You can also work more than one full time job. I was painting apartments at nite and weekends after my shift at the lumbermill to get outa debt. I woke up every morning at 5 AM to cheap coffee asperin and a soak in the tub to dull the aches and pains from all that work. This went of for years.

>>

 

That's what hard work, taking risks, and sacrifices are all about. You must be proud. You also understand my way of thinking (and my close friends) of protecting and hoarding the fruits of your labor. I write off most of my expenses but I will not fully disclose my income nor claim all of it. I also chose a biz where receipts, records, are not part of the picture, it's just the nature of the biz. I know country folk that never report any expenses so they never have to report any income. They don't want or need any government involvement in their private affairs.

 

>>So now;

 

I am currently shopping for a duplex so I can get a tennant or two to help me pay it off. Tennants are great, they are like roomates you dont have to share a kitchen and bathroom with. Ive been working in this business for years and its time I got in on it.

>>

 

Excellent plan. I hope you're in the part of the country that is enjoying an influx of smart people and "smart growth". I've lost a ton of money too, but am doing alright. I got to where I am today by investing mostly in real estate and taking advantage of opportunities. I doubt if anyone lurking really understands how much property a 4.75% mortgage will get you! It's a helluva lot.

 

Another drill..... I had most of my portion of my pension (retirement fund) in cash and when the market took it's recent long and deep dive, I transferred $9,000 to a very successful mutual fund, twice, averaging down. The recent appreciation of the market has greatly paid off. Some folks flip houses here the market is so robust. Gone are the days of buying something for $200,000 and 6 months later flipping it (selling) for a $100,000 gain, but that time will come again.

 

Sure there is and I can't believe you're in disagreement since you used to be the one fond of saying that poverty and what not is a choice.

 

BTW, meant to say "will now take from me....", not "not" take from me.

 

If you're an able bodied American, poverty is a choice. Back to Ty's drill last night. I'm sitting there wondering why all of those kids and the adults weren't working so they could get out of their dismal, over-crowded lifestyle. Too many people expect a handout and our current Prez is wrongfully fueling that fire. No one owes me a damn thing. What I have, I work for.

 

You seem to be saying that based on how you see things going your choice is going to be to not pay taxes.

 

I'll take every opportunity to weasel out of taxes that I can.

 

It may not be an ideal choice but it's still a choice. I should point out though that the obligation to pay taxes on your income is part of the US Constitution that you believe in since 1913 when they added the 16th amendment.

 

Government was NOT in the face of everyone back then. If you remember, this country and its constitution was formed on principles such as getting away from unfair taxation. We have a facist, socialist state now that wants to meddle and distribute to those not deserving. What do you think the Tea Parties are all about?! Folks are fed up.

 

All you can count on is they'll be there every year taking more. That and the fact that if you ever get an unexpected refund of tax dollars you paid in ala Bush's Tax Rebate or Obama's Stimulus checks, it's going to be done with money the government doesn't really have, thereby ensuring the need for you to keep paying in taxes just to cover the interest on the national debt.

 

Totally agree, so, me and my friends will go on doing what we do, providing for ours, getting involved in the community, helping others and fighting the good fight in regards to a 3rd party, the government, wanting to take more and more. I moved from a community of Mexicans who DEMAND that the government or their community (indigent health care for example) take care of them and will not do squat to improve their lot in life. Their front yards have 3 rust buckets parked on them, a dog or two tied up to a tree in stifling heat and brutal rainy cold, 5 frickin' kids in diapers, etc. I move to a community that is totally opposite. People in general are responsible and take care of themselves and their property. They don't litter, their kids are taught respect for their teachers, elders, cops and other's property, they don't drop out and have kids out of wedlock...... You know, the ways things used to be before we got so damn politically correct, and stupid.

 

Make it a great day,

UB

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Dropping in again to say high.

 

Feeling a little sick due to all the fluctuations in the weather where I live, if only I had some smoke I'd be good to go!

One of these days I'll get my financial situation sorted out, and be able to actually have a little growing...

 

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BEN, My priorities are getting a good source of income, better than my current income is anyway, as well as trying to get my own house some day.

It is just going to take some serious hard work, as well as a bit of good luck for a change.

I have had a lot of BS to deal with lately, and whenever I get an extra dollar it is already spent beforehand, so it will be tough to get in the position of being able to afford to get a house.

I have looked into things like HUD homes, and FHA type loans, but honestly I can not really afford one of those right now, mainly because the % of $ they want down, along with closing costs, not to mention my credit score has dropped lately because I have been unable to pay some of my credit cards.

Eating comes first though, so I had to do what I had to do.

 

I am not saying anybody, or anything other then myself is to blame for my situation, but I have tried to better my situation, but to be honest my health has held me back a lot, it seems every other week I get a bad cold, a fever, and feel like shit overall, if I could afford medical care I'd be in a better boat so to speak, but I have not had, nor been able to afford health care for around 12 years...

 

If only I lived somewhere that I could actually grow Mary Jane to supply it to those that use it for medicinal reasons, then I could enjoy my work, as well as get ahead for a change.

Not that I do not consider other legal jobs, I just do not have any degrees ( I do have my GED though) so the only jobs I qualify for are ones that would barely pay me enough to afford to get back and forth to work (considering where I live)...

 

Ending my rant now....

 

Hope all of you are high, safe, and well!!!!

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Dropping in again to say high.

 

Feeling a little sick due to all the fluctuations in the weather where I live, if only I had some smoke I'd be good to go!

One of these days I'll get my financial situation sorted out, and be able to actually have a little growing...

 

_____________________________________________________________

 

I'm not out to judge anyone as we all have our stories, but I wish you well and hope you end up managing your debt well, it's not easy. Been there, done that. I've done some really stupid things with money like pi$$ off $30,000 playing the stock market and am still kicking myself. By having my ass kicked good I now am more cautious.

 

Sounds silly but when you're really down and out, confused, and don't which way to turn just remember, "if you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there."

 

(Gawd.....that sounds so creepy!) hah!

 

I am not saying anybody, or anything other then myself is to blame for my situation, but I have tried to better my situation, but to be honest my health has held me back a lot, it seems every other week I get a bad cold, a fever, and feel like shit overall, if I could afford medical care I'd be in a better boat so to speak, but I have not had, nor been able to afford health care for around 12 years...

 

I have friend like that. Fellow just ran up a $20,000 medical bill with tests, can't pay it. There are good medical clinics that will help for a nominal fee. Regarding my friend, he'll never pay the medical debt off, just pay in like $20/mo. for the rest of his life. Contrary to the media lies, medical care is free in America - no one will turn you down.

 

If only I lived somewhere that I could actually grow Mary Jane to supply it to those that use it for medicinal reasons, then I could enjoy my work, as well as get ahead for a change.

Not that I do not consider other legal jobs, I just do not have any degrees ( I do have my GED though) so the only jobs I qualify for are ones that would barely pay me enough to afford to get back and forth to work (considering where I live)...

 

Ending my rant now....

 

Hope all of you are high, safe, and well!!!!

 

Don't know where you live, but you really need a change. If you can, move to central Texas. There are plenty of opportunities and the real estate market is still good. In a small community near Austin called Leander, they (Valence Tech.) will be opening up an electric car/truck battery manufacturing plant in the near future. Something like 4,000 jobs. These will be high paying jobs in a fine community. A GED would land you a good job on the line, stocking, perhaps sales, etc.

 

Speaking of lithium-ion plants, this is really interesting especially local comments! http://www.hollandsentinel.com/news/x18761...ets-299-million

 

Good luck!

 

Time to plant some gourmet garlic. Got some very cool strains. Even though it cost me a bit to get 6 strains of gourmet, exotic "seed" garlic, I'll now have another sustainable crop. Garlic is not cheap in the stores any more plus I might have enough to sell. I did a pot of garlic mashed kohlrabi and potatoes last night it was a treat served with baked chicken. The Yukon Gold that I planted is very tasty.

 

Tio

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I also buy high quality eyeglasses made in China...

 

Gone are the days of buying something for $200,000 and 6 months later flipping it (selling) for a $100,000 gain, but that time will come again.

 

We have a facist, socialist state now...

See, now yer part of the problem bubba...buying Chinese, sheesh, shame on you. I hope yer shit breaks...serve ya right fer buyin that crap. :D

 

Those days of "speculation", which is wut flippin is, is wut inflated housing values to 200% of their actual worth....and that ain't finished correcting yet. 19 million excess dwelling units in this country cuz of that shit...killed the construction industry. Flippin is fer fools, and they all deserve to lose their shirts. :lol:

 

Unfortunately yer right aboot the political shape of our country. :)

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The neat thing about owning realestate, is if you pay 200,000 for it on a loan, then the value of the dollar falls (Inflation) you still have a 200,000 loan on your property. It may not be worth more later on but the dollars you pay it off with get cheaper and easier to get.

 

I lost all interest in our partisan political stuff a short time after cutting cable tv.

 

Funny thing.

 

 

Im not getting bombarded by several talking heads all shouting over each other on the TV and my mind cleard right up.

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Yea scone, fasting from most processed foods clean the body, fasting from the tele cleans the mind

 

 

 

 

 

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Wow, good on ya! You need to call up Dave Ramsey and do the ol "I'm debt free!" cheer. :lol: You can save money doing a number of things - growing your own food, careful shopping, etc. Speaking of which, I've bought a ton of great stuff from these two sites. Check them daily:

http://www.1saleaday.com/

http://www.woot.com/

 

The first one will even have free stuff, you just pay for shipping. I also buy high quality eyeglasses made in China for like $20.00 - $30.00. Just bought some wine from wine.woot.

 

BTW, I too am more of a fiscal rather than social conservative. I was watching Ty's "Home MakerOver" show last night and after about 15 of 'em had moved back into this now multi million dollar premise I turned to my wife and said, "I wonder if anyone has directed them to some behaviorial courses on maintenance?" The caretakers are to be commended regarding trying to support a bunch of lost kids, but you don't give up your comfort zone, your MO, without change. To change, you must first give up something.

 

I worked welfare cases for many years, and you could give a Mexican an oven, but teaching the why's and how's of cleaning that oven on a timely basis was another story. They just don't get it. I hate to sound jaded, but I'd like to see Ty's entitlers' house and yard one year after initial occupation.

 

Speaking of cleaning ovens, I tried the self-cleaning mode on ours yesterday for the first time, and holy shit, thought the house was gonna burn down! Wood trim got too hot to the touch, granite countertop was hot as hell. Oven turned out spotless though. :)

 

>>The key here for the rest of you still enjoying a life of working poverty and debt is it doesnt happen fast. But if you dont get started it wont happen at all. Ive taken the time and effort over the last few years to readjust my personal finances to run at a profit, and Ive changed my attitude to accomidate it. It really is simple, its just not that easy. You have to see things in terms of annual cost rather than unit cost.

>>

 

Smart. It's like taking a project that is overwhelming - you break it down into small portions and eventually you reach your goal. Again, the Dave Ramsey syndicated show is well worth listening to. Being in debt is a personal behaviorial issue, period.

 

Where I live you can't hardly exist working for the man. BUT, you can easily make a ton of money if you work for yourself in the right niche. Very soon I hope to be pulling in upper 5 digit numbers. I'll be putting most of it back into the biz for a few years but I can say I'm now on the map.

 

>>Now days I save a sevaral hundred a month faithfully, and buy durable goods for fun, things that last more than a week. And Yes I grow my own pot. Im essentially paying myself a hundreds a month to be boreing. You can also work more than one full time job. I was painting apartments at nite and weekends after my shift at the lumbermill to get outa debt. I woke up every morning at 5 AM to cheap coffee asperin and a soak in the tub to dull the aches and pains from all that work. This went of for years.

>>

 

That's what hard work, taking risks, and sacrifices are all about. You must be proud. You also understand my way of thinking (and my close friends) of protecting and hoarding the fruits of your labor. I write off most of my expenses but I will not fully disclose my income nor claim all of it. I also chose a biz where receipts, records, are not part of the picture, it's just the nature of the biz. I know country folk that never report any expenses so they never have to report any income. They don't want or need any government involvement in their private affairs.

 

>>So now;

 

I am currently shopping for a duplex so I can get a tennant or two to help me pay it off. Tennants are great, they are like roomates you dont have to share a kitchen and bathroom with. Ive been working in this business for years and its time I got in on it.

>>

 

Excellent plan. I hope you're in the part of the country that is enjoying an influx of smart people and "smart growth". I've lost a ton of money too, but am doing alright. I got to where I am today by investing mostly in real estate and taking advantage of opportunities. I doubt if anyone lurking really understands how much property a 4.75% mortgage will get you! It's a helluva lot.

 

Another drill..... I had most of my portion of my pension (retirement fund) in cash and when the market took it's recent long and deep dive, I transferred $9,000 to a very successful mutual fund, twice, averaging down. The recent appreciation of the market has greatly paid off. Some folks flip houses here the market is so robust. Gone are the days of buying something for $200,000 and 6 months later flipping it (selling) for a $100,000 gain, but that time will come again.

 

 

 

BTW, meant to say "will now take from me....", not "not" take from me.

 

If you're an able bodied American, poverty is a choice. Back to Ty's drill last night. I'm sitting there wondering why all of those kids and the adults weren't working so they could get out of their dismal, over-crowded lifestyle. Too many people expect a handout and our current Prez is wrongfully fueling that fire. No one owes me a damn thing. What I have, I work for.

 

 

 

I'll take every opportunity to weasel out of taxes that I can.

 

 

 

Government was NOT in the face of everyone back then. If you remember, this country and its constitution was formed on principles such as getting away from unfair taxation. We have a facist, socialist state now that wants to meddle and distribute to those not deserving. What do you think the Tea Parties are all about?! Folks are fed up.

 

 

 

Totally agree, so, me and my friends will go on doing what we do, providing for ours, getting involved in the community, helping others and fighting the good fight in regards to a 3rd party, the government, wanting to take more and more. I moved from a community of Mexicans who DEMAND that the government or their community (indigent health care for example) take care of them and will not do squat to improve their lot in life. Their front yards have 3 rust buckets parked on them, a dog or two tied up to a tree in stifling heat and brutal rainy cold, 5 frickin' kids in diapers, etc. I move to a community that is totally opposite. People in general are responsible and take care of themselves and their property. They don't litter, their kids are taught respect for their teachers, elders, cops and other's property, they don't drop out and have kids out of wedlock...... You know, the ways things used to be before we got so damn politically correct, and stupid.

 

Make it a great day,

UB

 

Oh don't get me wrong, I realize folks are fed up. The thing is you can't and won't stop the system we have now overnight. Sure people like yourself and your neighbors, due to the nature of the things you do and your location you all can get away with not reporting all of your income and therefore not having to pay so much if any tax. Imagine though how quickly things we've all become accustom to would fall apart if everyone did that. They say the economy is on the rebound now and maybe it actually is but most people and places are still not out of trouble. Things are so bad in many local governments that you have things going on like cities suspending abulance service for certain hours to shave a few bucks off their budgets and that's just a mild example and going on with people paying their taxes. Not all taxes are bad, actually no tax is bad, it's how they get put to use that's bad. I've never once felt during all the years I've paid taxes that they were unfairly high (I'm just talking Income tax here) given all the benefits one has living in this great country of ours. I don't even have a problem with welfare per se what I do have a problem with is welfare that requires no effort to change on the recipient's part. I say if someone is needy rather then giving them a hand out give them a hand up. Give them the help they want but require them to work somewhere for it and then try to get them doing things that will give them a skillset they can use to become self sufficient. The problem isn't welfare it's that welfare is poorly managed.

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They say the economy is on the rebound now...

 

...actually no tax is bad...

"They" are wrong. We continue to bleed jobs, over a quarter million a month. Last month 400,000 fell off the unemployment rolls, so counting them, we really lost over 650,000 jobs last month...they din't get employed, but they ain't gittin no check now. Productivity per worker rises, and worker wages & hours go down. We are not outta this...it is going to git worse. :lol:

 

The lottery is a bad tax. It taxes the poor & stupid. It encourages immoral behavior, gambling. It is a "bad" tax. :)

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Yeah the way things are going, Im glad I grow. Its like having insurance against joblessness that actually works.

 

Think on it, someone will always buy pot nomatter how bad things get. And as long as its illegal the price will be unnaturally inflated and it willl continue be a viable business option for people like us who have the balls to do it.

 

 

Were drug war profiteers.

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See, now yer part of the problem bubba...buying Chinese, sheesh, shame on you. I hope yer shit breaks...serve ya right fer buyin that crap. :)

 

Those days of "speculation", which is wut flippin is, is wut inflated housing values to 200% of their actual worth....and that ain't finished correcting yet. 19 million excess dwelling units in this country cuz of that shit...killed the construction industry. Flippin is fer fools, and they all deserve to lose their shirts. :lol:

 

Snooze, ya lose.

 

Get with the program bro........

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The neat thing about owning realestate, is if you pay 200,000 for it on a loan, then the value of the dollar falls (Inflation) you still have a 200,000 loan on your property.

 

Wrong. In normal real estate cycles, it appreciates or at least holds its own. You do the math - I paid $3.00/ft. for high fence 6 years ago, it now goes for $9.00/ft. My house has appreciated in market value by double in just a few years. My land has appreciated in market value 3 fold in just 5 years.

 

I think that you aginners (stoners) are trying to justify why you have been such losers in the marketplace, whatever it may be. It's not a matter of sour grapes so much as making poor choices and not willing to get smart financially.

 

I suggest you run an amoritization schedule on a loan of say.....$200,000 at 4.75% APR for 30 years, and tell me such a loan isn't putting away some serious principal every month beginning with the get-go.

 

UB

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Yeah the way things are going, Im glad I grow. Its like having insurance against joblessness that actually works.

 

Think on it, someone will always buy pot nomatter how bad things get. And as long as its illegal the price will be unnaturally inflated and it willl continue be a viable business option for people like us who have the balls to do it.

 

 

Were drug war profiteers.

 

I use growing pot as a statement against government oppression. I can make money tax free. IMO, if you're smoking up all of your efforts without making money on the side, well........and if you think growing pot is gonna make you rich in the long run, hah!

 

Being a farmer, I know too well the complications and challenges of ag stuff, legal or not. Alot of my pot smoking friends are not smokers anymore. Some outgrow the habit with age.

 

Nothing is as good or bad as first perceived,

UB

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Well Im a grower to keep myself from wasteing money on the crap thats available locally. Or I started out that way, now I really enjoy doing it.

 

Oh I dont think Ill ever get rich growing the stuff. Certainly not by selling it to a bunch of stoners . What I see is a potential source of income should mine disapear and the general market leave me wanting. The last time this happened to me I wound up living in a van and working crappy day labor jobs. I will stick my neck Way the fuck out before I let that happen to me agian. I do see people around here gladly paying upwards of 60 and 70 for an 8th of local comercial crap that I wouldnt stink up my bong with. So there is a market out there that Im sure is a direct result of prohibition.

 

So far as realestate goes, sure Im a noob, but buying compared to renting how can I lose?

 

Yeah 200k at 4.75% APR for 30 years would totally rock, count me in. Im certainly not going to do that 'no money down' adjustable rate crap that bit my sister in the ass.

 

By the way, while your in here, what you think about adding reptile lites to my flower cabnit to add UVB to the spectrum. Is that a legetamate way to enhance potency or a totall myth.

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I think the UV lights are myths or the reptile lights just don't put out enough UV. I have a couple of reptiles and have tried using their lights in my grow box but never noticed a difference. I did only try it once thought, and was an old UV tube so that may have been a factor too.

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"They" are wrong. We continue to bleed jobs, over a quarter million a month.

 

You'd be real proud of this here Bendejo, Roberto. After researching for weeks, I finally pulled the trigger on a commercial popcorn machine, type you see in the theaters. My final 3 candidates, all having excellent reviews from users were:

 

1. One made in China (Benchmark)

 

2. One made in Malaysia (Gold Medal)

 

and

 

3. One made in the good ole USA (Paragon).

 

I chose #3. Can't wait to fire da damn thing up!

 

BTW, taxes are OK as long as some one else is burdened with them. We love to spend other people's money. :)

 

Gargmel and Scone, I've done the experiments myself, never with reptile lights though. I guess it's my old age, but nothing beats learning how to grow a nice healthy, productive plant without all the gimmicks and crap. Speaking of Gimmicks is for Pendejos drills, I'm taking (free) delivery on an extremely high quality, super soluble, 35-5-10 with micros today. 2 bags, 50 lbs., for $38. :D Anyone want some? :lol:

 

Make it a great day,

UB

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I do see people around here gladly paying upwards of 60 and 70 for an 8th of local comercial crap that I wouldnt stink up my bong with. So there is a market out there that Im sure is a direct result of prohibition.

 

You know, I keep hearing that. Who in their right mind would pay that kind of money for such crap?! You're either really hard up, a fool, or got lots of money to burn. We still get fine Mexican around here for $50/oz.

 

So far as realestate goes, sure Im a noob, but buying compared to renting how can I lose?

 

You won't, especially if you make a wise purchase and play your cards right regarding timing and details. My second home was a (spotlessly clean) foreclosure in a very depressed market back in the 80's. It was during the oil market crash, my neighborhood had 79 foreclosures at the time, and I was standing there licking my lips. I made damn good money when I sold it and then built my dream home on my acreage, the latter bought with an adjustable rate mortgage from Capital Farm Credit which I rode down to 5.5% before paying off the note. Speaking of which, if you ever wanted to live in the country, you should contact this firm. They are set up to not only offer you good value, but focused on helping rural folks in many ways.

 

BTW, feds have some kind of first home buyer's program going right now, expires in about 40 days. Might check into that program and most communities offer financial assistance, sometimes grants (that don't have to be repaid). Check your city or county folks, those involved in urban planning.

 

Yeah 200k at 4.75% APR for 30 years would totally rock, count me in. Im certainly not going to do that 'no money down' adjustable rate crap that bit my sister in the ass.

 

An ARM CAN work extremely well, all depends on how you go about it. The house I spoke of had a FHA ARM that started off at 8.5%. As interest rates fell in the 80's and 90's, I rode it down to below 5%, paying in a little bit of additional principal each month too. The horror you speak of was the Negative ARM's that were so popular back in the 80's when rates were sky high and the recent crap that guys like Barney Frank were pushing a few years ago, requiring no money down, low rates, no payment into principal, etc. IMO, if you can't afford a house, if you don't have some cash on the side and good income, then you shouldn't be approved for a loan nor do you deserve one. Barney Frank and crew came up with the usual liberal crap that everyone deserves to own a home, unconditionally. What a load of politically correct manure! Kinda back fired. :lol:

 

Tio

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You'd be real proud of this here Bendejo, Roberto. After researching for weeks, I finally pulled the trigger on a commercial popcorn machine, type you see in the theaters. My final 3 candidates, all having excellent reviews from users were:

 

1. One made in China (Benchmark)

 

2. One made in Malaysia (Gold Medal)

 

and

 

3. One made in the good ole USA (Paragon).

 

I chose #3. Can't wait to fire da damn thing up!

Made in Iowa...good on ya.

They had ona them Paragons at the nursery I worked at...evidently free popcorn gits folks in the buyin mood.

 

...what you think about adding reptile lites to my flower cabnit to add UVB to the spectrum. Is that a legetamate way to enhance potency or a totall myth.

Well the bastards at Youtube deleted it, but Marijuana Man from PotTV had a video up titled "THC, UVB, and Me". In it he described the technical aspects of THC production, and the effects of UVB lighting. He had gotten together to discuss the issue with a grower who's done rather extensive testing. He used reptile lights, and played around with schedules. He found that in order to achieve the desired results, all that wuz needed wuz 2 hours of "on" time fer the UVB in the middle of the "day" cycle. Marijuana Man sed he'd tested samples of the grower's UVB & non-UVB crops, and that the UVB sample wuz significantly more potent.

 

Gotz me interested enough that Ima give it a try. :lol:

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Why just use a clear incandesent bulb, like they use on construction sites. I think they are pretty heavy on the lumens.

What I tried long ago now, was to use a timer, and make them come on an hour before lights on, burn an hour past lights on. Then an hour before lights out, it comes on, then and hour after lights out it goes off.

Since incandescent is out of our wave length, the plants do not recognise either on or off.....we're just after the black radiation.

 

I did not see shit myself. I am a firm believer in finding the scorch spot, and just backing the bulb away a touch. If I burn a leaf here and there it's meaningless to me.

I find them (leaf) mostly worthless after the transition, myself.

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I think so far as lighting goes Ill simply add a MH to my HPS to broaden the spectrum so its closer to sunlite. Though 8 years into growing I am still a fairly new guy at it, (think 8th grade underachiever as an analogy) Ive still got biggerr problems than weahter Im getting the most out of every last trichome. This stuff is certainly fussy, particularly grown indoors hidden in an enclosed box.

 

I would dearly love to grow outside in fresh air under sunlite with all the room the roots can find, as it should be. But the penelty for growing pot here is still on par with stuff like attempted murder and rape, and they send us to the same place they send rapests and murderers, so for now its plants in a box for me. This round I tried cutting back on ferts in veg, and it went fine but the plants are eating all their fan leaves in mid flower. Guess I cut it back alittle too far. Its classic -N disease by the look of it, but I dont want to try to fix that now they are almost done flowering.

 

Great resource there Ben. Theres dozens of acerages of that arid harsh unpopulated land I love so much for freakin peanuts. I had No idea.

 

I could make cash offers on several 10 to 20 acre parcels Ive found already. Then stay put here, keep working and save for the needed improvements permits ext. Im totally looking into that. Its way better than I even thought possible.

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