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Update after one week.

 

On the left #2, on the right the # 1

 

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This evening I separated them:

 

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Carefully I removed the tape,

Tadaa!

 

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Side view:

 

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I'm glad with the result so far.

Bye!

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Variations to a theme.

 

Today I tried to make another graft on top of the #1 rootstock.

I used her sister, the pheno #5.

A slightly different approach this time.

I hope the drawing shows it:

 

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And this is the result so far:

 

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I'll give it a week.

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The last attempt failed, so a 50% succes rate so far.

 

So I repeated the last one:

 

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And tried to join two Madagascan-clones (#1 & #2):

 

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The first G-spot is getting lumpy:

 

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Bye.

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Last week I did four more attempts.

Time for the update:

 

On top of my motherplant KFxTB#4 are now two grafts.

This is the last one, the #3:

 

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This is the #3 on top of plant #4:

 

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The #6 was the first succesfull graft on the same host.

Now it looks like this:

 

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This is what's left of the #6 graft #6 on top of plant #4, after it already gave me two clones:

 

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Now it's a matter of pruning to prevent one part from getting dominant.

 

At the garden center I picked up this wound sealer:

 

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So I sealed the g-spot with it:

 

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So no insects or fungi can enter there.

 

I also did an attempt with Madagascar-clones:

 

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#1 is rootstock, #2 the scion.

A few hours ago I cut them loose, and it still looks good.

Under the tape I can see a white lump:

 

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But I leave the tape on for a few more days, because the creation is a bit top heavy.

 

On my SHxKF-plant #1 I grafted succesfully the #2 already.

That looks like this now:

 

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An attempt to also put #5 on top of it too, failed.

And the second try does not look good either:

 

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But I have not given up hope yet, I removed the big leaves and put a plastic bag over it.

 

Last but not least,

A sativa on top of an indica dominated plant:

 

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AccidentalAmnesia on top of a BigWhite X Top44.

 

BWT44 is a short, juicy plant with a huge root system.

Could be the ideal rootstock for my low mother cabin.

I cut the AccAmnesia loose yesterday, so she must have attached, or it would have wilted by now.

I leave the tape on for a few more days, till I see new growth.

 

I'm glad with the results so far, and already have a lot more space in my room.

Bye.

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oi!!

awesome topic FOTH!!

whats that accidental amnesia?? ah x amnesia?? :rolleyes:

 

anyway,,,,,,,,i'm enjoying this a lot <_<

 

greets,,

hup

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I found two seeds in a lot of amnesia-haze this summer.

Don't know what caused that.

 

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Haze don't like nutes as much as the BWT44 does.

See what grafting will do to the Haze.

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Today I removed the tape of the madagaskar-graft.

Nice white lumps make a good attachment

 

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I cut off the remaining useless bits of stem and sealed the graft:

 

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As if nothing happened:

 

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The bottom of the #2 can go into my outdoor garden, and the top of the #1 became a clone.

The new combination-plant deserves a bigger pot.

 

More details later,

Bye.

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hello FoolOntheHill

 

That is so interesting :rolleyes: it took me many time to read ^^ but it was a really good time .

 

Do you just graft one plant each time ? or do you try it on many plants ? I imagine many plants is the best .. ..... because " more plants you try , and more chances you have to get the plant you want "

 

That is a real big work to work with that . isn't it ? <_< .

all this inspires me . thanks

 

greets

Nathalie

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intresting topic,Fool :rolleyes:

The Plant on your last Pic looks like a complete,normal Plant, if we would not see the sealed Graft....

 

Do you get better results with the sealing or is there not a big Difference?

Great Job !!

 

greets saxo

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Hey Nathalie an saxo,

glad you like it.

The first goal is to reduce the number of plants in my mother cabin.

And it seems to work well, so I keep going.

Just a few at a time. And it's not a lot of work.

 

The sealer is applied after the graft is already a succes, saxo.

 

Today I tried another one:

 

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Two Blue Hammer seedlings this time, same age.

Turned them a round a bit, looking for a good spot.

 

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Looks like they were ment for each other.

I cut a bit out of the stems untill about half way, at a node.

 

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And joined them with some tape and a peg.

 

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Let's wait a week.

Bye.

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Fantastic read FOTH,

Hats off for achieving this

Been looking into grafting for some time, would i be right in saying an indica dom plant is better than a Sat dom due to the better root system?

Cheers

DZ

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Has anybody tried to use parafilm (laboratory film) for grafting ?

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(it's a bit more expensive then toilet paper at $80 a roll...

 

This is a plastic film that can be stretched very well. A single layer is still penetrable for gasses... A double layer is well sealed.

 

There is "Parafilm Grafting Tape" available from the parafilm manufacturer. I just don't see the difference between regular parafilm and this grafting tape besides the width of the tape. Mine is 5cm wide.

 

I have a small shortage on motherplants right now, but I wanna have more genetics on less motherplants, so I will try to put a few different strains together on one plant... But still I think I'd make a double at least, you never know what is going to happen or do you reckon it's safe ?

 

The results are great... You can see it works well... Now we have to check if it works well in long term use. I suspect that the graft will be the weak spot in the plant, or am I wrong ?

 

@FOTH, if you want to try parafilm some time, give me a pm, I'll mail you some.

 

Kees.

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Exellent work FOTH i always thought that this would work ok, i`m gonna give it a try with a rootstock from a completely different plant.

 

r1

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Thanks, Double Zero.

I can't deny or confirm your statement.

 

Here is a sativa that was on top of an indica.

It grew really well, as you can see.

 

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I rejected this genetics, so I cut the graft off of the rootstock plant.

 

The graft is only a weak spot in the first few weeks, Kees.

A very firm lump grows rapidly to make a very firm joint.

Here you see it, bursting out of the sealer.

 

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So I guess you have to apply some more sealer, every now and then.

 

Thanks for the tip and offer the special tape, Kees.

But no thanks, I think I can manage with normal household item.

Maybe another forum member?

 

To see you how weak the graft spot is, I tried to break it.

I attempted three times, the stem broke above and under the graft:

 

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The graft stayed completely intact.

 

What other plant, r1rider?

Good luck!

 

Bye.

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Thanks for this, looks like you got a technique that works welll. Do you manage mothers this way, one rootball, many possibilities...

Also seems like a great way to breed one male to many different strains with just 2 "plants". Thanks FoTH. Curious do you still have mothers with lots of different strains? Would love to see a couple year old update. Keep up the great work.

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It's a funny coincident, I just mentioned this technique to a friend last week.

Glad it's usefull to some.

 

I think you can breed that with just one plant, starinhazy, as you can graft a male to female rootstock or v.v.

 

I only have two "keeper" mothers, and no grafted specimen at the moment, but I might do some grafting soon,

as I have a few more back up clones of other strains as well.

So I might as well join them into a "Bride of Frankenstein".

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Best read in a while, learned a lot, thanks!

 

This makes me wonder as well.... I know the genetics talk back and forth especially around the graft sites. If you graft a great flower on a good structured plant... And then pollinate

 

Seems to be a 3 way cross shortcut?

Obviously the mom would need to be cut under the healed graft.

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I know the genetics talk back and forth especially around the graft sites. If you graft a great flower on a good structured plant... And then pollinate

 

???

 

Three way cross?

 

Don't think so.

The dna of the reproductive cells does not change.

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I wonder if this opens the idea of breeding root stock.

 

Plants that are vigorous and resistant to root zone problems, and nothing else.

 

Those can be vegged trained and cropped, then grafted with assorted clones before flowering.

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That's absolutely amazing.. nice one!

 

I've seen this done with apple trees, but not cannabis :)

 

As an experiment, I'm might try and graft clones of all my mother plants into one plant.

 

I've also recently seen tomato plants grafted onto potato vine root stocks for sale, so you crop both spuds and tomatoes of one plant.

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I wonder if this opens the idea of breeding root stock.

 

Plants that are vigorous and resistant to root zone problems, and nothing else.

 

Those can be vegged trained and cropped, then grafted with assorted clones before flowering.

 

Maybe hemp or possibly even hops.

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Last week I attemped to make a few more grafts.

 

Here's a Sativa scion on top of an Indica-type plant.

 

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I just removed the plastic bag that covered it for a week.

Could be they grew together, as the scion still looks relatively fresh.

 

I'll show it again next week, when I remove the masking tape,

to see if the graft was succesfull.

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