scrubdog 9 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 i'm not really an indoor grower though I have done it before but you guys are the experts so I was hoping you might help me out with some advice please. My huge outdoor Mango thai female broke in half and may or may not make it.... and I may or may not get any seed from it... https://www.opengrow.com/topic/47271-scrubdogs-2013-outdoor-adventures/page__st__20 So... I'm thinking of taking some cuttings and cloning it. I've done this heaps of times in a hot house and in a big indoor setup but I have nothing set up these days and no hothouse. My question is this... how much light do I need to root some clones? Can I use an ordinary household light bulb or do I need a fluorescent at least... or even a proper HPS or Metal Halide??? Just to root a couple of clones?? I may not get around to it but I was thinking to use a heat pad and pumice or vermiculite or something like that? Is there a better and faster way? I have a lot of visitors who have no idea that I grow weed so I need some sort of really small, simple and stealthy setup? I know from past experience years ago that the fastest way to get rooted clones is in heated water with a bubbler in it... or at least in my limited experience.... but I have no way to hide the noise of a bubbler. Also I don't have access to a lot of high tech stuff like grow shops and grow cubes.... I just need simple and effective... Oh yeah it's winter here so I can't put cuttings outside and that's my biggest problem... I'll need artificial light source and I presume I run it non-stop till the cuttings root? Or do I give them some dark hours? How long does it usually take to grow roots? Thanx scrubdog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scrubdog 9 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Okay I did some more research and it seems I could use an ordinary 25 watt CFL. Do I still use/need a heat pad? And the consensus seems to be that I run the light 24/0 at least until roots appear... which should take approx 2-3 weeks? Is that correct and any suggestions on best growing medium? I live in a remote rural location so I don't have access to stuff like rockwool and vermiculite without travelling to a city. I was thinking about just using pumice because I already have some. Do I need to make some sort of polythene tent around the whole setup to keep humidity high.... and if so... should the plastic enclose the light as well or just the cuttings? I'd be worried about an electrical short with the bulb in a high humidity tent setup? scrubdog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BeachBud 7,927 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Sry to hear about your broken girl. There are many ways to clone but for your situation I think this link may be helpful. They really don't want much light for the first few days, indirect is best. And try to keep them warm overnight. Good Luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baqualin 4,841 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Keep it simple..it's a weed. People make cloning to complicated....razor blade, cloning gel, root stimulant and mico. Cut it, gel it, stick it in a pre-soaked rock wool cube ( 2" is fine) put in tray with dome cover, water with root stimulant and Mico mix (use fizzed & filtered or rain water)...cover... light with CFL's or tubes or up to 250 watt MH (3 feet away)....no need at all to keep lights on for 24hrs. they need dark to complete their cycles....18hr. is fine...keep it between 75 & 80.....take lid off frequently and blow the gas of life on them....keep at least an 1/8 inch of water in the bottom of the tray and if ridged (preferred) to the top of the ridges.....you should have roots showing in 5 to 7 days....once you have a fat bunch of roots, plant and your off to the races. Nothing wrong with fancy, it's fun...but remember, it's a WEED....I get 99.9999% success rate even from a bud. And the bright light thing, as long as you watch not to burn them...it's a weed and it grows under the sun....even the indoor strains love it, they just can't handle all the other shit outdoors. In the spring I will set clones out under sunlight filtered through trees and fuking roots jump out of the blocks. I am going to get bubble cloner just to play with...they look neat. In your case a couple of blocks and your in business. Just remember K.I.S.S. Peace and Good Luck, BQ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mikezerozero 104 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 a cardboard box, a low wattage CFL, medium to put them (is the pumice fine or coarse? fine would be better) and a means to keep the medium relatively warm (an incandescent bulb in a sturdy sealed box with tray of clones sitting on top, kept on 24/7 is a low rent solution). i assume the donor was in bloom, so expect it to take a while to produce roots (i've had to wait a month in some cases, but eventually it happened) won't need ventilation beyond you opening the cardboard box a couple of times a day until they begin vegetative growth. edit; as long as the medium is kept reasonably moist (but not soaked) you shouldn't need to worry about humidity. also, as far as medium goes, even fine pumice will likely be too coarse to hold much moisture by itself, maybe mix it with some clean sand (fresh water sand or builders sand) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ButchBigBud 18 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Here's how I make clones and usually get 100% rooting. Last time I took 55 clones and lost one, so not quite 100%. I take my cuts off my mothers and put them in a pail of water with a PH of 5.5. I use concentrated lemon juice to lower PH. After that I recut under water at a 45 degree angle take the cut and dip it in Wilsons rooting gel then in Stimroot #2. (Be sure to shake off the excess powder) From there the cut goes into pre-soaked rockwool cubes (5.5 ph) that are 1.5 inches. From there they go into a tray and under a vented dome. I have a tray with a heating pad covered with a garbage bag and then wet sand on top of the heating pad. The tray with cuts goes on top of the sand and vented dome on top of the cuts tray. I use a 4 foot fluorescent over the dome about 2 inches above and leave it on 24/7. I usually have fully rooted clones in 5 to 7 days longest it ever took was 14 days and that was cuttings from a 7 week flowering SSH. This system has worked very well for me. Butch BB I put water in the bottom of cuts tray to keep the rockwool moist, drain off all excess water Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Misterdirt 11,962 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Here's my method: I take a cut, I dip it in cloning gel, I put it in a spongepot. No heating pad, just a 20" t-12 fluoro tube on long enough to let the plant know it's veggie-time. Don't let them dry out. End-o-story. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Useless 94 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 For a humidity dome, go buy a precooked chicken at your grocery store. Black bottom for a tray, clear dome top. And you get to eat too. An alternative is to place the cuts in whatever medium you are going to use, place that in a beer cup, cover cup with a sandwich bag and rubber band to secure the bag in place. You can use sticks of some kind to keep the bag from sagging. Lots of ways to skin a cat, even more ways to make clones. Just need to be creative and work with what you have. Good luck. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GreenAngel 1,236 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Most clones like it around 75 to 80 Fahrenheit I use 100 watt CFL's you can buy at most hardware stores to root clones, cheap and effective for long time. I wish you the best of luck. Peace. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HillCrest 534 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Not really any Point me adding here as its all been said Light ...not too much. Fluoro work far better than cfl. 100watt cfl is over kill IMO unless your cloning loads ... I can do 50-100 clones easy under 50-100w fluoro t5 or neon. 24 hrs just a waste of electricity as no benefit over 18hrs, youll find roots faster NOT on 24hrs, use 16hrs for a week then up it to 18hrs IMO. Or straight 18 fine. Humidity is important. Temp as said above. Keep moist ...not WET Gel is a Definate to stop disease. It isn't needed to root, but recommended to limit issues/losses. Bubblers are ace and some great DIY ones on OG. In my experience weed roots faster and easier under artifical light than natural sunlight. Good luck HC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teamster6 1 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Read this thread and you will have no more problems. In this thread this guy had nothing but problems http://forum.growkind.com/showthread.php?t=44135 t6 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HillCrest 534 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Read this thread and you will have no more problems. In this thread this guy had nothing but problems http://forum.growkind.com/showthread.php?t=44135 t6 Your remarks in that thread t6 regarding too much light are utter bollox mate about t5 lighting I have a 4ft 4 tube t5 unit 255w used for years and it's the best cloning veg light i ever bought. It's about the distance to start from light. 20 cm to start for me. I can clone under a 1000w HPS if distance is right. Grtz HC Ps. Ignore that thread link scrubdog. 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baqualin 4,841 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Like I said...everybody makes it to complicated.....it's a weed!! 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HillCrest 534 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Baq your are right. It's actually no different to growing any plant .... To a degree..... If you understand the basics for plant developement Don't get me wrong different plant do or can have differing requirements but folks Definately do over complicate things and generally that's where the issues occurs. Their need to make it work gets In the way of common sense. Then again to be fair some don't grow or try to grow anything but cannabis. Herbs ... Veg..... Fruits are a good stepping stone in a way. It's amazing how some canna strains can have such varying requirements .... A prime example is cal/mag ratios, many are very easy growing and are not that bothered to this ratio (medium/nute brand dependant) ....but some are VERY sensitive to this ratio. Grtz HC 2 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReverendMaynard 3,379 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 I do the cutting part a lot like mentioned but I never use gel. Only liquid StimRoot for me. Oh, and I use an aerocloner. pH 6.0, fish tank heater at 80F, dechlorinated tap water ...100%. Cuts that should never root, will most certainly root. 1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HillCrest 534 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 I would like to add there is no need for folks to link to other forums. There are plenty of thread at OG with all the info you need no matter what what question... Right here from respected well experienced growers if your use the search facility. Grtz HC Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
scrubdog 9 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Wow.... thanx people. More than enough information there. I'll get some stuff in town today and go for a hike and collect some cuts tomorrow all going well and let you know how it goes. Not sure what specific method I'll use yet till I check what I already have. Awesome having all this advice available. Best of luck to all of you. scrubdog Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Flem 31 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 lately i clone with cloning powder and stick clones directly in seedling soil mix and its working great under 125w CFL for 3 moms in 1,5 gal pots and few clones. Key is to know how to trim clone eggzactly so it doesn't struggle a lot to root, and to support it if necessary. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baqualin 4,841 Report post Posted May 30, 2013 Baq your are right. It's actually no different to growing any plant .... To a degree..... If you understand the basics for plant developement Don't get me wrong different plant do or can have differing requirements but folks Definately do over complicate things and generally that's where the issues occurs. Their need to make it work gets In the way of common sense. Then again to be fair some don't grow or try to grow anything but cannabis. Herbs ... Veg..... Fruits are a good stepping stone in a way. It's amazing how some canna strains can have such varying requirements .... A prime example is cal/mag ratios, many are very easy growing and are not that bothered to this ratio (medium/nute brand dependant) ....but some are VERY sensitive to this ratio. Grtz HC Even after 43 years of growing,the Cal / Mag issue is something I still struggle with too....even more so with the modern strains...didn't seem to be a problem way back or I just wasn't aware. It's frustrating sometimes.... I have less of a problem with it since I went totally organic with Mico & Bac ....only use a bloom boost twice during flower....rest of the time organic tea and rain water.BQ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teamster6 1 Report post Posted May 31, 2013 Your remarks in that thread t6 regarding too much light are utter bollox mate about t5 lighting I have a 4ft 4 tube t5 unit 255w used for years and it's the best cloning veg light i ever bought. It's about the distance to start from light. 20 cm to start for me. I can clone under a 1000w HPS if distance is right. Grtz HC Ps. Ignore that thread link scrubdog. Hey hillcrest if you use more light and it works great more power to ya! sORRY the link to gk was out of order just trying to help the guy out. And yes I very seldom miss 100% useing that method cheers t6 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
baqualin 4,841 Report post Posted May 31, 2013 Intensity of light (up or down) will have no effect on the speed of rooting a clone in the early stages other than burning the shit up if it's to close (as HC said). The main factors are Temp., Humidity and Genes, the rest is how ever you like to play. No matter the method as long as you tend to them you should get 100%........it's a WEED....not that complicated. Peace BQ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
