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#1 Damar

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 09:13 AM

3 Sannie's Jack FEM
4 Killing Fields FEM
1 Jackberry X MadScientist FEM (I killed it, sorry everyone :( )
Not enough space (DR60 ver. 2), so thats 60cm x 60cm x 190cm?
2 Has LED Panels (fall 2013 version, 65W each)
17liter pots, filled only to ~13 liters of soil (enriched with Sannie's Starter Pack + Perfect Start).. no Yucca unfortunately.

Most of the grow reports I read on here are compiled by some really expert greenthumbs, but I know that when I started this grow after 7+ years of not growing - my knowledge base was lacking, and certain simple things were stressing me out that shouldn't have done so.

I started a word document journal that I will copy into this first post to give everyone a glimpse of the timeline of events of my grow so far. Most importantly, the germination/seedling stage gave me a ton of grief. Patience is the key word here, and I wish I hadn't taken a week off of work to get my set-up ready, because I ended up overthinking everything. It's also a lot nicer to see your plants once every 8 hours or so to really see progress.

Here goes...

January 7, 2014
1 Sannie’s Jack seed and 1 Killing Fields seed dropped into spongepot with bacto according to Sannie’s formula (dome + perlite + bacto + humidity + spongepots). Didn't have a dome - used a plastic cookie tray after the cookies were done, and a big ziplock bag.

January 9, 2014
1 Sannie’s Jack seed and 1 Killing Fields seed dropped into shotglass with BRITA water.

January 10, 2014
Morning-
Shotglass seeds placed into wet paper towels in tupperware container, put onto radiator (turned down heat).

Evening-
Tupperware seeds germinated, placed into spongepots + myco + bacto. Placed into dome next to first two seeds. 1st Killing Fields Seed is breaking ground with cotyledons. All seeds germinated. Pulled 1st SJ seed out of spongepot because was doubting germination – it had taproot of ~1/2 centimeter. Settled it back into the spongepot.

January 12, 2014
Morning-
All 4 seedlings emerged from spongepots overnight. The 1st KF seedling has green cotyledons and two green true leaves. The remaining 3 seedlings have green cotyledons, but yellowing or no true leaves. 1 of the 3 remaining seedlings is a triploid. Put an additional 1 KF and 1 SJ seed into shotglass of BRITA water. Transplanted spongepots/seedlings to 1.5L black pots.

Evening-
No change from the morning, seedlings angled themselves more towards the light. Planted the newly soaked seeds in the pots of the two weakest looking seedlings. Did not wait for germination in tupperware/Paper Towel container. Planted an additional KF seed and JackberryXMadScientist seed into the last two seedling pots that still only had 1 plant/seed per pot. The healthy KF seedling now has another KF seed in the pot with it. The assumed SJ seedling (from Jan 7) now has a JBXMS seed in the pot with it.

January 13, 2014
Morning-
The three weak seedlings all showed growth overnight. The assumed older SJ seedling enlarged its true leaves, and is a healthier shade of green. The two other weaker seedlings (Jan 9) both showed minor true leaf growth, but are still yellowish, with browned tips, but beginning to green on the inside of the leaf/new growth.
Evening-
Continued growth. No sprouts from remaining seeds as of yet.

January 15, 2014
Morning-
Watered 4 seedlings fairly thoroughly. The new KF seed in the slow-growing KF seedling pot sprouted through the ground. The seed casing had not come off, but I wet it a little bit and went to work. We’ll see how it does when I get home.

Jan 16, 2014
All seeds sprouted. All 8. Now what do I do?!

Jan 23, 2014
All plants continue to grow well. I know that I started with 4 KF, 3 SJ, and 1 JBXMS. From their growth pattern, and knowing where I planted certain seeds (like the runt KF got another KF seed, and the strongest SJ seedling got a JBXMS in the pot with it).
The LED lights are proving what everyone else has already said – great growth with tight internode spacing. We’ll see how this keeps up during flowering. Strongest growth is coming from the SJ heritage. All 3 SJ are exhibiting a similar growth phenotype, which is even visible in two of the KF (the triploid main plant, and the back-up KF to the runt). The little runt still grows very nicely, but almost as if it was a dwarf version. The last KF seems to be growing slowly – maybe it’s struggling, or maybe it just needs more time because it’s a different phenotype. The JackBerry X MadScientist is also growing slowly. All plants are green and healthy!

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Jan 25, 2014
Transplanted into bigger containers. Unfortunately, I didn’t have enough soil to fill containers up fully. It could have been a 4 gallon grow container, but is closer to 3 gallons now. Changed light on/off schedule to 18/6, down from 24/0.

Jan 29, 2014
Changed light on/off schedule to 15/9, down from 18/6.

Jan 30, 2014
In the morning I FIM’ed 5 out of the 7 plants (didn’t FIM or TOP the smallest KF, topped the triploid KF for a guaranteed three nice tops. A couple hours before lights out I pruned most of the lower branches and fan leaves on all the plants. I hope to give them another 4-5 days to recover and restart
growing before switching to flowering (whether they’re mature or not).

Jan 31, 2014
Morning. Picture of the girls.

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Stay tuned I guess! I want to switch lights to 12/12 on Feb 3rd, and maybe do some sort of custom twine netting to scrog up the place a bit. I always wanted to a scrog, ahhhh exciting!!
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Posted 31 January 2014 - 09:42 AM

I like your style mate. is that 7 plants? + scrogging...I've never ran Led lights so got no idea what size they will get to, but less is more sometimes ; ) i do like having a low plant count. one plant scrog is my style. all the best with your grow

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 10:27 AM

Sounds like fun to me and I'll be checking in.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 12:47 PM

I have same tent, I think it's only 150cm tall, 5 foot. I am just starting and thought to grow only 1-2 plants so you growin 7 plants is interesting to me, I'll follow this for sure.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 01:36 PM

A few corrections:

It's a DR60 ver. 2.5 ... again, i'm lazy and not checking the specs... but I'll meet you in the middle GhostPoet and say it's 170cm ;) I know it's taller than the previous version, so it's not a total bluff.

HybridHygro - the 7 plants is totally an accident.. kind of. I was worried that I f'ed up with my germinating, and that the plants growth would be stunted or other bad things in general would be happening. In accordance with traditional bird offspring rearing traditions, I planted a second set of seeds in each pot as a "back-up." After it turned out that both the first set, and second set of plants were all healthy... I didn't have the heart to kill them. Maybe the slightly older plants will 'dominate' and kill off their younger and weaker siblings. I did end up killing the Jackberry X Madscientist though. From what I saw it didn't seem to match the general phenos I have in the tent. SJ and KF are related, so I figured with a little love and a touch of bondage I could keep an even canopy.

I may not end up scrogging, but I'd like to create some sort of twine-web above the plants so that I can at least pull apart branches that are too close to maintain airflow.
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Posted 31 January 2014 - 01:53 PM

Hey bud, I've done the same thing mate ; ) trust in your grow skills next time, saves you cash also ; )

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:06 PM

My bad Damar, I got the cheaper DS60 version rev 2.5 and it's 20 cm shorter than yours... Well, I hope it is enough for starters at least, I can always upgrade if need be and skills increase... Or if I get a real tall sativa...

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 02:59 PM

what they are trying to tell you is...those things are going to get BIG. So take that into consideration. LEDS seem to keep them more on the bushy side tho. I'm going to have a blast watching this from afar, you may get grown right of your tent. :popcorn:

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:10 PM

Good god, I'm going to get overgrown, and I'm going to love every minute of it! But flowering and buds are still so many weeks away... "Don't tempt me, Frodo!"...err, dasheesh!
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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:23 PM

I want to see you blow that place up! This is going to be a masterful job of improvisation and growing on your part and I am but your humble student. I have a similar cfl situation and have always wondered what it would take to pull off a scrog with out a mother cab, cloning and the like. I guess there is nothing to do but to do it and take it as it comes. Teach me master. I will be learning.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:31 PM

Pffft - I'm no master my friend. Just a mad scientist as my friends used to say... obsessed with weed. I didn't mention this in my journal because once the growth took off I got lazy, but I improvised a whole bunch of "duct-tape" string, because I didn't have anything to LST with. I hate duct-tape on plastic in hot temps, because if it happened 10 years ago it'll happen again, the plants are strong enough to slowly pull that damn tape off the pots.

I did have one cool solution that I implemented, maybe I'll get a picture of it up later. But I had a super long twisty-tie that I molded it into a sort of bone shape, with two open-ended "U"s on either end. This little contraption is what I used to push the two Killing Fields apart from the bottom of their stems (the ones in the front left of the 2nd photo). At this point, the strong plant straightened up more, and so the weaker one got pushed more, but because the contraption is fairly solid, even with the plants working their bondage, the distance between the two new plants was kept the same.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:53 AM

Excited to see this damar. Lotta plants for those lights it seems but should be fun.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:01 AM

Thanks Mojo :) One Hans panel is advertised as able to cover a 2ftx3ft area. The growreports from his website, as well as a couple reports I've found on the net (specifically PSUAGRO from rollitup, i think), show that one panel is totally capable of producing some nice buds.

I bought two so that they formed a sort of celing above the plants, and so that even more of the light is reflected downwards, and a minimal amount reflects off the walls of the tent and is wasted above the lights.
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 11:14 AM

As promised, a lil' ol' custom scroggy net has been now built just above the canopy. This will be my first time scroggin', and I may not be doing it exactly as I should... but with the expected stretch of these babies, I'm hoping to pull branches through and separate them out a bit. The following pics are all from today, february 3rd. Today was their last day of 15/9 light schedule. When the lights go out, they'll be out for 12hrs15min.

Here is a pic of the closet from a distance
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And this is a close-up of the screen... it's just some garden string made into a makeshift net.
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 11:47 AM

In grow reports, most of us just want to know what problems you might run into, and what to expect if we run the strain. If "bad grows" aren't posted, we don't find out a tremendous amount of information about a strain, and the grower doesn't get any advice about what went wrong.

That's why I like to do grow reports in progress, rather than a re-cap after it's done. Recaps are great when the grow goes well, but when they don't go well, people tend not to report them.
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 11:54 AM

View PostMisterdirt, on 03 February 2014 - 11:47 AM, said:

In grow reports, most of us just want to know what problems you might run into, and what to expect if we run the strain. If "bad grows" aren't posted, we don't find out a tremendous amount of information about a strain, and the grower doesn't get any advice about what went wrong.

That's why I like to do grow reports in progress, rather than a re-cap after it's done. Recaps are great when the grow goes well, but when they don't go well, people tend not to report them.

I agree completely. The only time I like grow reports posted all at once when they're complete is when I'm impatient to see the final buds... but if you just looked at bud porn all the time, it would get boring. So the anticipation can be exciting too ;)

Any tips on a flowering through a screen vs. weaving branches through a net, and then flowering afterwards? I am worried about pruning lower popcorn buds once flowering has begun, and whether or not that would stress the plants into a lower final yield (even though I'd be doing it with the intention to promote bigger top growth).
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 12:07 PM

I've always done most or all training during the stretch period. If you weave plants into a net or screen before putting them into flower, you will not get the height control benefits of the screen when they stretch.

I prune during flowering. If that's a bad thing, and maybe it is, I owe a lot of plants an apology.
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 12:10 PM

I am excited about this grow Damar! Just like what Misterdirt said, I too love reports that are posted as they happen ,and if possible are followed through until the cure is finished and it is time for tasting and reviewing the final product. What ever problems arise adds to the common knowledge pool.

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Posted 03 February 2014 - 12:20 PM

In 5 years our eyes will have adjusted to these weird spectrum photographs, but until then... here's a natural light picture right after the lights went out.
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Posted 03 February 2014 - 01:41 PM

Hi buddy. your grow looks fine. much better seeing them in natural light. under leds we got no idea what's going on...lol...Nice improv scrog net ; )

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