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#1 Mink

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Posted 26 November 2016 - 10:13 AM

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Can this be used to make mapito?this two mediums i can buy localy which would be better or both combined or shouldnt be used.
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Posted 28 November 2016 - 11:27 AM

Well since nobody had any comments yet i thought i would share a bit how is my little project coming along.

I went with the cubes to try out since i thougt that the flakes in upper pic would compact too much.i also got some PU foam but dont know if should use it or not?
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Hope someone shares a thought or comment.

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Posted 01 December 2016 - 05:27 AM

Bump.nobody?

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 01:26 PM

heya Mink. i´m not an expert on mapito...but the green cubes look like made from rockwool too?

ps: what a flagg is that in the pic.. i don´t know it ???

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 03:44 PM

Hi Mink,
The second picture in your first post looks just like the last production run of Growpito brand mapito (a US firm apparently out of business).
The Growpito 3/4 inch cubes are reticulated polyurethane (I believe), produced by the second process described here:
http://fxi.com/foam-...eticulation.php (judging by the sooty black sand residue found in the bottom of media soaking tubs).
By volume, I'd guess the Growpito ratio of foam to rockwool as being 1:10.
The foam must be reticulated polyester urethane and looks like 10ppi: https://www.ufpt.com...thane-foam.html

I've thought about making mapito. In the US, Grodan Grow Chunks look like the best place to start. Rockwool can be made with different absorbancies.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 06:38 PM

Hey guys thanks for stoping,

@saxo yes the cubes are wool but are kinda greenish color and not as firm as are the ones u buy in growshops they are kinda soft.
I have them mixed in my perlite hempy buckets and the roots seem to love it.

Oh the flag hanging in my garage is the flag of a country i was born in a country that was broken up and doesnt exsist any more Yugoslavia....what a shame

@ledfoot
http://www.green-urb...ons/landscaping

This is the site where more information can be read and both companys are european.
Thanks for the info will look into it.

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Posted 02 December 2016 - 11:52 PM

there are lot of medium called "mapito" on the market
i use 1/8 bag grodan granulate, 10 liter soft foam, 10 l polysterin ball for making 27 liter mapito
i water 1/3 from bottom every 3rd day
i found mapito suck up the salts to the top... so when reusing... u have to avoid to wash back everyhing to the whole medium... that s why i flip the crates before flushing from top.

hope it make sense

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Posted 03 December 2016 - 02:14 AM

Hidronesia you Rod Stewart impersonator... long time no see ^^

@ Mink

I think the media you are trying to make here is unecessary.

You have Grodan Granulate which when chopped is virtually 95% mapito.

The mini grow cubes are also made like Grodan's version (1/2" cubes) and after using I find superior to Mapito due to the big beautiful air gaps.

Hidronesia's recipe for custom mapito is an excellent one (but he is too chicken to not worry about using the PU foam)... The PE balls offer precise control over drainage when added in ratio to rockwool granulate.

After many months of testing and experimenting I now beleive I have created the perfect "mapito" media, but it will require me to do another grow journal to show everybody :P

Personally i would just use the cubes :)

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Posted 03 December 2016 - 03:38 PM

hello rose:)

hope u get something like this (very hard to make more buds top to bottom with super quality)


just to entertain the community with pball grows from a first time CoreCut grower
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Posted 04 December 2016 - 09:46 AM

Hi guys,

Thanks for stoping by and sharing knowledge. For now im just going to go with the cubes that i allready bought still dont know what to mix in for the 5% but the eps balls look great and i thik would be good for airand drainage.

@Rose and what would the recipe be for your pito?

@Hidronesia i must say that exactly this kind of pictures of plants and yield plus the advantage of recycling made me wanna try mapito ebb and flood.
Great grow and harvest man!whats the strain?

And what would everybody have to say about this kind of growing from seed?
How could i achieve that kind of growth pattern with 14 day veg and the fact that plants are kind of small to top?

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 01:23 PM

@Hidronesia

Less plants, longer veg times... somebody has been experimenting too ;)

You are still the 'King of Core' :D

@Mink

There are plenty of threads here from members you can search that will give you the answers you seek for mapito in's and out's... (Hidronesia, TomTom, Simplicity, LEDfoot, Carper, Eskobar just to name a few)

I dont mind sharing prematurely, but in a nutshell my perfect mapito mix I arrived on in the end was:

1x Grodan Granulate 20kg (chopped)
1x PE Balls 100L
1x Canna Coco Coir 50L

I call this "Dirty Pito"

While the granulate + Pballs offer a precise drainage and air/water ratio for the mapito, the inert nature of the rockwool offered little protection against root disease if it reared its head. More benefit was to be had by having a "beneficial" rootzone than a "sterile" rootzone as is commonly used with rockwool growing.

Rockwool will inoculate with beneficial bacteria much better than most people would be lead to beleive, but due to it's non humus (organic) structure it requires more continuous reapplication of beneficial bacteria to be effective.

By adding a "peppering" of coco coir through the granulate, I give myself little houses for the beneficial and fungi to house onto while not really interfering with the CEC or WHC (speed, uptake and reusability) of the mapito while now having the rootzone protection of coco coir.

The speed and power of mapito with the protection of coco coir and the ability to run organics.

I have come to the conclusion that the introduction of mapito manufacturers that were offering 5% coco coir ammendment as opposed to 5% PE flakes may have made a substantial difference in the success of a grow due to the qualities that coco coir offers... whether they did it by accident or not, the scientific merit is there.

I will post some pics for you later :)

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 05:05 PM

Hey Rose

Im allready searching thru forum and threads sucking up everything i can about mapito and the method...thanks for naming the growers that use it will make my searches quicker.

Man...coco...??? I had such difficulties last three grows becous of it!
I love it and have been growing in coco for 2 years but the bugs and pests that have been emerging from it last few times made me thinking to switch method.

Last time i even poured near boiling water and covering it over night a still got some fungus larvae survive not to mention thrips and some other bugs that came on coco.
I was opening bags in the hydro store all the labels had bugs (canna,atami,plagron)plagron had the least.
So i dont know about coco but saw KWX-1 online thats supposed to be coco and rockwool.now i have plants in hempys with perlite and those cubes i bought instead of vermiculite.

Looking forward to some pics thanks for sharing.

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Critical mass pic 1
Black domina x amnesia 12/12 from seed test run pic 2

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 01:04 AM

Sciarid flies love coco probably the most of organic media yes.

#1. If you flood and drain, the top will remain dry which is a deterrent.

#2. Scratch up the top 1" of the mapito the next day after any handwatering. This will seperate the top of the media from wicking moisture (capillary) from the top of the pot by physical disconnection and allow it to go dry so you wont have green algae. Scarid fly love algae too.

#3. Better yet, purchase "Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth Powder" and add a few cups to your media when you make it up. Once the top dries it becomes a bed of razor blades that the Sciarid Fly cannot pass/move around the media without cutting itself to ribbons. Despite internet broscience, it will not influence PH or give magical powers of silica strength to branches, but in merit, may offer mild increase in Ca uptake.. but irrelevant ;)

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 10:23 AM

@Mink bugs like gardens... no matter what kind of medium u will grow... i have trips and spidermites all the time..

your blackdomina x amnesia looks killer... im interested to see what she will do in the next weeks.

we all learnt growing on mapito from limbo and HD (KARMA UP FOR THEM):)

the link u can find more vids: https://www.youtube....h?v=ewh0AEi_uj4

and an old Hd grow: https://www.youtube....h?v=Cvdk0EVjEj4

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Posted 07 December 2016 - 10:02 AM

View PostThe Rose of Darkness, on 05 December 2016 - 01:04 AM, said:

Sciarid flies love coco probably the most of organic media yes.

#1. If you flood and drain, the top will remain dry which is a deterrent.

#2. Scratch up the top 1" of the mapito the next day after any handwatering. This will seperate the top of the media from wicking moisture (capillary) from the top of the pot by physical disconnection and allow it to go dry so you wont have green algae. Scarid fly love algae too.

#3. Better yet, purchase "Food Grade Diatomaceous Earth Powder" and add a few cups to your media when you make it up. Once the top dries it becomes a bed of razor blades that the Sciarid Fly cannot pass/move around the media without cutting itself to ribbons. Despite internet broscience, it will not influence PH or give magical powers of silica strength to branches, but in merit, may offer mild increase in Ca uptake.. but irrelevant ;)

Rose.
Hey Rose will try when i get my e&f up and running.i have tryed putting my dry cubes in a pot and dipped it in water 1/3 maybe just a bit more and in a minute the cubes wicked water straight to the top and the uper layer was wet so i dont know maybe these cubes are too absorbant? But will also try the scratching thing you said.

View Posthidronesia, on 05 December 2016 - 10:23 AM, said:

@Mink bugs like gardens... no matter what kind of medium u will grow... i have trips and spidermites all the time..

your blackdomina x amnesia looks killer... im interested to see what she will do in the next weeks.

we all learnt growing on mapito from limbo and HD (KARMA UP FOR THEM):)

the link u can find more vids: https://www.youtube....h?v=ewh0AEi_uj4

and an old Hd grow: https://www.youtube....h?v=Cvdk0EVjEj4
Hey Hidronesia yea i know they do its just so nice when they dont show up to ruin the party.
Black domina x amnesia is a test plant but she allready smells so good that im considering a full grow with her.
Here she is filling in nicely
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I have seen these videos and then i found this forum im all hyped to try this method,also glad i found this site,nice friendly and knowledgeable people.

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Posted 07 December 2016 - 10:14 AM

she´s a beauty, mink :dribble: good job!!
...better rotate your pix bevor upload...


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Posted 09 December 2016 - 02:26 PM

View Postsaxo, on 07 December 2016 - 10:14 AM, said:

she´s a beauty, mink :dribble: good job!!
...better rotate your pix bevor upload...

Hey saxo,thank you
Will do that next time i post pictures.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:28 PM

Well,its been a fun test grow and i must say im impressed so ill post some pics
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The strain is black domina from seed and they were veged for 14 days.

I would like to thank everyone for help and comments!

Im now seriously thinking of switching my entire room on this system.
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Posted 08 March 2017 - 06:01 PM

Nice plants!

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Posted 09 March 2017 - 01:02 PM

View PostHamme Hydro, on 08 March 2017 - 06:01 PM, said:

Nice plants!

Thanks Hamme,i must say i like the strain the way they grow and the smell is also great.
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