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I have 2 Turkish males, They were identical. Turk#1 put out some pollen sacs to show sex and then reverted to massive vegetative growth. Turk#2 popped pollen sacs but has not stopped pumping out pollen and isn't putting much energy into plant growth. Which would be the best stud?

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Great question, I have no idea. But I would love to here the pros and cons of each from some pics of the serious breeders on here.

 

 

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The question is whether the trait of never going back into veg would carry over to offspring, especially female offspring. It's definitely something you don't want for regular M/F, non-auto plants. You won't be able to keep it as a dad for long, anyway.

 

If it doesn't carry over, which produces the most potent offspring?

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You can always store pollen for later use. I once had a little envelope of pollen stored in my wallet for 5 years, worked just fine.

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You can always store pollen for later use. I once had a little envelope of pollen stored in my wallet for 5 years, worked just fine.

 

That's good to hear. I've got a few vials of pollen in the freezer and was wondering if they were going bad/infertile. No more worrying about that :)

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Only true way to test is to use, make seed and grow them out.

 

If a one and done shot.

 

Pick the smelliest and one that best matches. Perhaps take a clone and stress a bit and see who the sissy is if their one. However, that does not necessarily translate to good breeding traits as I have seen spectacular looking males make very poor plants but I recommend stress testing them non the less.

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males can't revert back to vegetation-mode from a certain point in

flower .. the flower shape does not allow it like in female plants ;)

 

my 2 pesos on which one to use:

i'd use them both :) there is no reason to bottleneck right from the get-go,

if you have the choice to broaden the variety for a bigger selection of plants

to further the line and stabilize desired traits, then i would suggest to do that.

 

also ... how about?

- smells on upper stemrub

- leafshape (serration or no?),

- branching habits (do you like it or not?)

- trichs (many/none?)

- effect (smoke him)

and do the vegging males root fast,

do they have hollow stems (and a round or edged stem?)

ect ect ect ... ;)

 

there is many things you can look for.

let your stomach and good eye decide, brother.

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Or it has some autoflowers in it.... it really depends what you want in your offspring me ps Always select on structure, potency and smell.... nice Males are diff to find....believe me :)

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When I stress test, only a small % is to see if it reveg. I used to do many tests in evaluating a plant. When I look at a plant I do many other things than just growing it.

 

I treat them as if I was evaluating a race horse (I know jack shit about race horses but my meaning I hope translates).

  • My perspective is an evaluation of plant physiology aspects and horticulture aspects to a degree and not just to grow the plant out, that happens too but many clones of each seed plant go through each type of test. When I say I know a plant, I know that plant very well.

When I looked at plants for a breeder, it was not like a grower but for a specialist type of opinion with documentation/merit.

 

Hempyfan!

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I enjoyed the suggestions of different ways to evaluate a plant. Usually I just take the male that looks physically superior and has a nice color or leaf deformity. I tend to favor bushes and a male that shows its sex first. I am somehow convinced that is a sign of early flowering. I'm hooked on the stem rubbing (its kinky), especially one of my Boudicca/SF mothers. It was like Sugar Punch all over again.

 

I really would like to point out how well all the Turkish landrace plants came out. They're all uniform in appearance, no runts, they look Indica, same short stature and a tendency to fill out fast. This was one of the later selections and all have physically matured beyond any others in the garden. Every one is a physically strong plant and can support the growth of plenty of potential branches as they are doing now. They respond well to pruning and clone so easily. I've given away a bunch of clones this year and the feedback already is awesome. These plants don't require a constant gardener and love being outside in any weather so far. I'm out everyday gathering more pollen. From personal experience I can vouch that USC has a habit of being spot on in their strain descriptions…mmm…hash…sedative and DEEPLY relaxing. I can't wait.

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I've had a problem in my veg garden for 2 weeks now and i just figured out that it is TMV. So im culling everything, bleaching/cleaning and starting new again.

 

SO IN LIGHT OF THAT, its good to hear about those turkish flowers being very uniform and responsive. They just made the lineup.

 

Months of work down the drain because of some bullshit. Growing can sometimes be summed up in: rinse, repeat, restart. :)

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sometimes you can get the look of TMV from sensitive plants towards PH. Only way to truly tell of TMV is to test it. Though if you noticed a big loss in yield, then probably is TMV. I once had a very powerful mutant that was that. Test show clean of virus but was so hard to clone it was only ever a private plant.

 

Dont let smoking cigs near grow areas.

 

The Turkish plants did have my mouth watering but I was full on genetics at the time. Another plant I had interest in was Jahlicieus.

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sometimes you can get the look of TMV from sensitive plants towards PH. Only way to truly tell of TMV is to test it. Though if you noticed a big loss in yield, then probably is TMV. I once had a very powerful mutant that was that. Test show clean of virus but was so hard to clone it was only ever a private plant.

 

Dont let smoking cigs near grow areas.

 

The Turkish plants did have my mouth watering but I was full on genetics at the time. Another plant I had interest in was Jahlicieus.

 

Thank you for the support and advice!

 

My favorite flower is the culprit to all my problems (shitty deal but i have a few hundred seeds of her left to find a replica) and as much as i want to keep her and fight this infection off, I am going to be pragmatic and cull them all so i can get this problem over and done with. I am cleaning the room, repainting, putting in my spare flood table and starting from seed.

 

I get bored every few months with what i have in the garden anyway and have to tie my hands behind my back to not go pheno searching, so this is a good enough excuse to go after some new smoke. I have 3 mothers and they are all still available in my seed bank to find other worthy representations.

 

In another part of my home I have a small cabinet set up where i have 6 king x northern lights males flowering out so i can make seeds in the future. they are not ill as far as i can tell and i really want to keep the king afghan genetics around my seed bank and these were the last of the them so to speak.

 

*sorry for the off topic conversation in your thread gimme5minutes

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No Problem. Just the mention of a King/NL hybrid takes me back. I miss the good old taste of the West Coast before the big OG Kush takeover. I'm actually glad you chimed in about TMV, my Blue God is showing the same damn thing. I thought it might have been broad mites but there weren't any. The guy I got it from is a chronic cigarette smoker who doesn't mind digging through an ashtray. It would explain the issue and now I know how to treat it. Big thanks!

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You are right to get rid of it. Plants the touch it can get it. Get rid of the soil/media in the plant too. Virus is very difficult to get rid of, I think it would take a special tissue culture working to clean it. Not even a normal tissue culture but one that can could possibly kill the virus. So way beyond my knowledge at the moment but I hope to fix that knowledge gap some day.

 

I had wanted to go to the University of Hawaii to learn it but I will have to wait some years due to bad timing in life for me. I can easily learn tissue culture but I want to learn the genetic side of it and other aspects that I need in a real class environment. All in good time.

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