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Hey I suffer from depression(and laziness i guess lol) and have been smoking all my adult life (26 now) but now relatives are saying stuff like cannabis is showing it's negative effects on me and I can see them myself such as I really can't decide what I should start to study or even do I'm just wasting my life away and I feel too good for the shit jobs that would give me time to think about what i want, have electrician papers(worst decisions in my life) that i got last year but don't feel like I can do those kind of jobs because of my theoretical mind. I even went to career psychologist and all the signs were on the 'intellectual side' and math skills supported university but the thing is I don't have too good papers from high school because I had huge attitude problems back then and girls,weed and shrooms were more on my list so even getting into schools is very hard for me now and now I'm really struggling if I should quit cannabis and try to see what life'll bring but I already tried it and I lasted 4 days and started feeling so depressed about my wasted years and current situation that I had to vape a bowl and instantly the whole day was fine again. I always heard such bad things about SSRI medication but if that is how I would feel without using cannabis I'm sure I would have to try them then. It also could be just the withdrawal symptoms that made me feel so depressed but I really don't have anything going on in this life so I guess I have reason to be a bit depressed I know cannabis can cause depression but I have always since the teenage days felt like it's medicine for it but not sure if it's the other way around nowadays.

I'm at the point where I have to ask you guys since I feel like nobody else understands it better should I quit for good or at least until I can make the decisions needed so I don't just throw my whole life away like my father did who is an alcoholic and haven't been around ever or should I just keep my good old pal cannabis with me and try to force something somehow am I just too lazy or is it the cannabis?Well I guess the electricity school was forcing it and I'm afraid of making the same mistake again rolling into something i don't like afterall. I have very few skills but nothing i'm too interested in the problem is just that I kinda like them all just as much and feel everything is bland somehow but with this level of escapism i'm at im not sure if I can make those decisions ever with cannabis around and achieve them. I don't even feel like dating anymore because i'm such an asshole for wasting these years high sitting on the couch. Do you think I should get professional help and admit i've been using it as medication and tell my whole story or how should I change my situation because I really can't see it myself.

I hope somehow someone can relate and help me forward because I really don't know anymore. Well I have acquired some shrooms but somehow it seems so ironic to try to solve the problem with them so haven't tried it yet.

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If you can only last three days without cannabis and you feel bad about that, yes I would recommend seeking professional help. I have a negative opinion of SSRI meds (based on my experience) but counselors were supportive. Don't do cannabis and SSRI's at the same time.

 

Some people micro-dose shrooms daily for depression. I haven't tried that but I have had medium-term (two months) benefit from a good trip.

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most pharmaceuticals have side effects or do damage to the body over time that make them not worth it. and 100% agree that counselling may be a good option for you to help get focus on what you want to do with your life.

good nutrition and daily exercise are important keys in having a good outlook on life. i like to meditate for 5 minutes twice a day and do 10 to 30 minutes of qi gong and stretching in the morning. acupresure is a wonderful self help tool as well. there are a lot of videos and free apps that explain how where and why. i'm bipolar and sometimes find it very hard to get out of a dark place, but these are the tools i use to cope with it. best of luck getting to a good place.

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It seems that the cannabis makes u unhappy these days, so I recommend to quit it! Cannabis is powerful and the same potential it has to make u happy or to heals it has to make u sad. Cannabis makes one lazy is just half of the story cause there's always someone who alows it to have this effect, it makes it damn easy to be lazy though. It's a fight I pick up every single day :D

 

U should quit for some time and stop searching anything, instead do something that u haven't done for a long time now (maybe because u where rather high) and see what happens. DON'T take any fuckin pill! U are able to sort it out without any of that brain chemistry fucking up shit ;)

 

Greetz

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Cannabis doesn't make you lazy, but cannabis and alcohol together do. And depressions i suffer from too, but cannabis helps me to put things in perspective and it would be worse without.

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It would take at least 2weeks or more after quitting to get rid of the withdraw effects , took me a month when I did it a few years ago ( wasn't thew choice tho )

 

That's why they call it work and not fun : ) Very few people in the world have their dream job , work is just work for most , it's what you do outside that counts : ) the job itself is only a small part of it ,the people you work with are what make it good or not , so even the boring job at the supermarket can be the best job ever lol and the job designing formula one one cars shit ( presure ) sure more money in formula one , but no time to be happy and have a laugh

 

What other activities do you like to do , or have never done before ,but fancy ?

 

Seems to me you are wanting to move from the young man partying ( you have seen it , been it and got the t shirt ) , to the next stage of life

 

A new hobby will excite you ( get you out of your rut ) you will meet new people and create a new direction in life , maybe meet a nice girl : )

 

If I was 26 again and was unsure about my direction , I would put myself out there and sign up for camp America or something ( I don't live in America ) that would be fun to look back on lol

 

You are not the only one that feels this way , a lot of people your age feel the same and some older , makes some changes and mix it up abit

 

Getting out there and mixing it up in life , is like getting up and going for a long walk , hard to leave the warm house you must force yourself , but when you do you actually enjoy it and feel good for doing it : )

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No need for professional help nightmara , you got balls , you can help yourself : )

 

Winners make it happen

Losers let it happen

 

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i gotta say i really disagree with that. having a parent with an addictive personality makes someone much more likely to as well. so if you're somewhere that you're able to get counseling at little or no cost than you absolutly should.

you may get someone that you don't click with, especially if he/she tries to push you to take pharmaceuticals, but most places it's ok to switch counselors. a good one will help you learn coping skills that can make a big difference in your life.

and good on you for being honest with your self and admitting that you have an issue that should be addressed. many people never will and the problem(s) they have only get worse over time.

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My only advice as an overthinker myself, is to not think and dwell on things too much. Keep yourself busy with things you enjoy. Dont put pressure on yourself. If smoking is affecting you and you want to stop, maybe try to ween yourself off by gradually cutting down as to not shock your body and put stress on your mind. Be headstrong and stay determined my friend and do whats best for you to progress how you see fit through your life

 

Best vybez

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Four days is not quitting cannabis, and the depression you were feeling is withdrawal. The top withdrawal symptoms for heavy cannabis users are insomnia, anger, depression, anxiety, and dreams/nightmares. There are tons of YouTube videos on quitting, if you're really serious about getting your life back. If not, keep smoking. Nothing bad will happen to you if you stop, only good, but you have to get on the other side of withdrawal to know what that feels like. If you understand what to expect when you stop smoking, it may help you keep going. It will take up to 90 days to get THC out of your body, but symptoms are the worst the first week or so.

 

Cannabis is more of a habit, than a medical benefit, all statistics confirm this. When it's impairing your life, and adding nothing of benefit, and you keep doing it, it's an addiction.

 

I quit every so often, just to prove I can, and, sometimes I know when it's affecting other life areas. Im a cold turkey guy myself, rip that bandaid off and be done with it. Alcoholics and heroin addicts don't "ween" themselves off, they just use less, then go back to the problem. If you want to quit, the key is finding your own personal trigger that makes you want to. What are you losing by choosing to continue smoking? And surrendering to you inability to quit, to a higher power is real, too.

 

I've smoked for 40 years, and don't mean to sound hypocritical. But just like alcohol, no matter how many rainbows and unicorns we dress cannabis up with, it Is still a problem for some.

 

Best of luck to you!

 

 

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Well said diesoldog. Especially concerning the medical part ( not to discredit it at all )

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If you have the personality of an addict, quiting cannabis is not going to solve that. Be sure you don't exchange one addiction for another. For me cannabis is needed to control migraine so i have to be an addict or i will pay for the consequences with headaches so intense it makes you wanna light up anything to stop it.

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You can't just quit, you have to REPLACE. I occasionally have to quit for a month or two at a time.

 

Since you didn't have a plan for what you'd do with your mind when you stopped entertaining it with weed, you replaced it with what the Buddhists call unproductive thoughts. Unproductive thoughts include beating yourself up for "wasting your life," decisions you made in the past that you now regret, etc. It's OK to think of that stuff when devising a plan to make better decisions, but if you are just punishing yourself, you're wasting more of your time on bullshit.

 

You need to forgive yourself and move on. You can't act on anything in the past. It's over. If you'd like to beat yourself up some more, how much time will you spend doing it? Hours? Days? Those will become wasted days you will regret having wasted. There is NO benefit to this behavior, for you or anyone in your life.

 

BTW, you do NOT need a job where you have plenty of time to think. As intellectually oriented as you may be, your mind is undisciplined. The reason I say that is I tend toward intellectual pursuits, too, but my mind is undisciplined. I'm working on it, though.

 

When you start getting down on yourself, you need to get your mind on something else. Stay busy, even if it's just reading or working out. Weed is certainly an easy way to do it, as you know, but it's not a long term solution, as is obvious to you now.

 

I'm an atheist, but use Buddhist techniques to derail unproductive thoughts. I don't want to push it here, but I can suggest an easy-to-follow, how-to book if you want. The key is practicing a simple form of meditation about 20 - 30 minutes a day, and the rest just happens. I find myself going into that meditative state when stressed (like when I'm in traffic, bitching and wanting to give every other driver the finger). You will discover a lot of the important shit that is on your mind, keeping you up at night and distracting you, is really unimportant garbage.

 

You need to quit reliving the past, where you made one decision and now wish you had made a different one. It's not going to help you. That situation won't be coming up again.

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I speak generically and not pointed at anyone.

 

Cannabis is a many headed thing sometimes for people depending on why they consume it. Cannabis cannot fix your mind. Only you can do that. Cannabis can though help make it easier while you figure yourself out but it is on you.

  • Statistics that we here prove nothing as you do not have valid statistics but more statistics for marketing and PR use.
  • Cannabis has a role in medical but it is not the magic bullet people have made it out to be. It is not a magical thing from harry potter. It is a plant with properties.
  • Those who do not understand cannabis and use it as a cure all are not actually using cannabis medically. They are buying time by finding a measure of relief and misapplying it. I have no problem with that when it is part of a process to heal longer but otherwise, call it recreational use and not medical as it is not truly that.
  • I might have a bad day and drink a few beers but I would not say I drink due to medical reasons is my point.

 

When we are in a hard place it is like being down a well and depending how deep you might not see the light at the top. So depending how big the issue impacts you can play a large role in how far down that well you are. So for those who were not that far in the well in the first place cannot truly relate towards those who are deeper down that well even if it is the same well as the experience is different for each.

 

Now add in how we manage our own emotions and that is largely subjective as few people can manage their emotions and feelings well.

 

Cannabis can be a tool or it can also be crutch but it is not cannabis fault. It is the person who makes into other things based on how they deal with their life. That perhaps sounds condescending and mean but it is not meant that way but it is true. A big part of the problem is the US medical industry being a big pill push and excuse maker.

 

Dealing with symptoms/sufferings and not the cause(s) is not a solution and many do use cannabis for issues but never deal with the issues and thus they will suffer further still no matter what is smoked.

 

I have no wise words other than to say, find it within yourself to look at the deeper parts of you that is suffering and deal with it. Face those dark corners and if you cannot, try to find a way until you can or that suffering circle will continue. Looking at ourselves can be painful, it is part of growing and growing generally is painful but it is good and natural!

 

All my best and I hope you find freedom and relief in life!

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Ive been there somewhat. Id venture to say anyone whos put 20 or more years into it has. Lol. It's not the bud doing it. You found a crutch for what ales you. I went through this once. I cleaned myself out detoxed etc. Lay off the bud and eat green a while. Exercise helps too. Then. 2 weeks later. The body goes to normal. If you choose hen to smoke again. Start slow. And remember. A body at rest. Stays at rest. So keep moving. Exercise daily. In whatever way you can. Live healthy. Once your body and mind and soul are again once healthy. Try to keep it there. These bags of bones are just like cars . if you take care of it itll last a long time and run top notch. Slack off. And no matter what you put in it. Runs like shit. So cut back. Exercise. Eat right. Meditate. From there the world is your oyster. Or something.

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Start to lay off the cannabis and begin doing other activies.

 

I know many people that are in your boat, and I've seen the attempts(and lack off) in solving this problem.

 

If you want the cold truth : if u don't make effort to Lower th amount your smoking o completely stop u probably never will get out of the situation your in.

 

I have seem it over and over and it's the same result.

 

Socialising will help you a lot but that's if you have the avenue's...

 

Most of my friends began smoking at 14, they are now around 30 and have pretty much given up on trying to stop...

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Also like to add, the fact that with a sober mind you feel something isn't right tells you something important, then u smoke and it doesn't matter u cudnt care less about it... if you began to make progress with a sober mind I think u will begin to feel better about yourself. Atleast this is the issues I've experienced with my freinds.

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"You need to forgive yourself and move on."

 

Amen. Get off your own back, you're only 26, you haven't lived long enough to be a REAL ass hole, that's insulting to us professionals. Stop whining, man up, and take the life you want. You might really want to talk to someone, smart people aren't afraid to seek help.

 

"In my time, I've known my share, of broken hearted fools, those who couldn't choose the path worth taking. There's nothing in the world so sad, as talking to a man, who never knew his life was his for making". Ray LaMontaigne

 

Here endeth the lesson.

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"You need to forgive yourself and move on."

 

Amen. Get off your own back, you're only 26, you haven't lived long enough to be a REAL ass hole, that's insulting to us professionals. Stop whining, man up, and take the life you want. You might really want to talk to someone, smart people aren't afraid to seek help.

 

"In my time, I've known my share, of broken hearted fools, those who couldn't choose the path worth taking. There's nothing in the world so sad, as talking to a man, who never knew his life was his for making". Ray LaMontaigne

 

Here endeth the lesson.

 

 

 

I'm very much of the same school of thought, come from the school of hard knocks. However it was a little harsh saying that to a person asking for help! What do you mean, "it's an insult to us professionals"? Professional what, smoker? Grower? Why is him being depressed an insult to anyone? He's a young lad, asking for help, trying to find his way in life & he's having a hard time doing it. If you're so professional then give him guidance, not criticism ! You telling me you've never asked for help in your life.

 

I wasn't aware there is a manual of how to lead the perfect life!

 

 

“Have compassion for all beings, rich and poor alike; each has their suffering. Some suffer too much, others too little." Buddha

 

Peace

 

B

 

Edit: old post but I don't care

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Bubbla,

Lol, I believe you misunderstood diesel, when he says hes a professional he means at being an "asshole"! I pride myself on the fact that i too am a professional asshole.......this is no 4 yr degree program its a life full of fuck ups to achieve this honor, lol ! I love the international flavor of this site although the UK and USA speak the "same" language we sure do mix it up a bit.

 

On subject i have found that moderation in "all" we do is the answer for me when it comes to living life. Having said that i have to say i am now 62 yrs old and still struggle with this on a nearly daily basis. Life is never as hard as it seems but it does require action and help be it professional or involvement in self help 12 step groups. Never be embarrassed to seek help in anyway.

 

Peace and Stay Cool

Billman

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Bubbla,

Lol, I believe you misunderstood diesel, when he says hes a professional he means at being an "asshole"! I pride myself on the fact that i too am a professional asshole.......this is no 4 yr degree program its a life full of fuck ups to achieve this honor, lol ! I love the international flavor of this site although the UK and USA speak the "same" language we sure do mix it up a bit.

 

On subject i have found that moderation in "all" we do is the answer for me when it comes to living life. Having said that i have to say i am now 62 yrs old and still struggle with this on a nearly daily basis. Life is never as hard as it seems but it does require action and help be it professional or involvement in self help 12 step groups. Never be embarrassed to seek help in anyway.

 

Peace and Stay Cool

Billman

 

Hey Billlman

 

Yup, it sure looks like I misunderstood :).

 

Looks like I'm in the same club as I can be an arsehole too, think like you say it comes from a lifetime of fucking up, although I'm only 48, I've lived many lives & fucked up many times. You are right Billman, moderation is key, something I'm great at telling other people but never put into practice myself! I've never got along with the twelve step program ( not for Weed) though it does work if your heads into it, I prefer one to one sessions. Thank you for your wisdom it's appreciated & respected & I appologise for the misunderstanding lol.

 

Take it easy

 

Peace

 

B

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