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It Actually Freakin Happened.

Years of growing organic and breeding mostly Sannie Gear (Thank You Sooo Much for that) I finally got the opportunity to stuff a jar of Sconey's finest under someone's nose.  

I was planning on joining up with an existing farm by offering whatever plants I had running at the time as a bribe in return for a lead gardener position or something like that.  

(Rule Of Acquisition #46; Never underestimate the power of a bribe) 

A modest plan with little preparation and a nice long learning curve just the way I like it.


Anyone who knows me knows I can't just do Anything normal.  

So was it a farmer or better still a farm owner I was fortunate enough to network my way into the good graces of?  

Oh my no, it's an investor. 


The offer is now on the table from someone I know very well and currently work with in another business to open a tier one facility here in the area.  

I had No Idea this guy smoked pot, and he just started this year.


Yea I gave a noob the stuff I grow..,


Okay, Imagine you work for say this guy;




I found out today he just started smoking pot, and he likes it.  

And he found out today I grow pot and I am really good at it.

He has a few old friends from collage days who also smoke it, and all have a finger or two in the cannabis pie themselves.

I just gave him a jar of this stuff;



"Holy Crap! It Smells Like Candy"  


To cut a long story short, I just gave Tony Stark a chance to really show off, and I get to run with it.

Which brings me to the careful what you wish for part.


I was given Homework!


I have to price out a 2000 square foot facility.     

Cost of set up lighting security software badge stamper any employees I hire soil and so on.

This is the best possible scenario.  I know this guy well, and he can afford this.  

He may say something like this casually as bs but he gave me homework and research to do.

This means he is serious.  


I get to price LED for a 2000 square foot canopy including veg and nursery. 

Then I go on to soil consumables containers water electric and so on.

But we all know lighting comes first. 

Anyone who uses LED over a large area please chime in, what is the setup and running cost of systems at what size and coverage and how are the yields quality and so on. 

Also anyone working in Washington who knows anything I should know let fly, I am now in over my head and I have a few months to catch up if I am lucky.  

It's not a huge deal, he knows me and knows this is like a bug hitting a windshield, but he has seen this bug hit several of them over the years and go right on flying.

I currently grow under HPS, but I'm about to run my first LED at home so any info on home sized LED would be helpful too.



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I'm no help, but good luck. Sounds like you have a pretty cool adventure ahead of you.

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First of all, congratulations with this awesome opportunity! Before going big i would do a few runs with led so you know what you are talking about. Secondly: growing organic is not ideal for bigger grows if you ask me. I would say: go hydro and work with an ebb and flow system. This has proven itself to be very functional and the weed is just as good as organic grown! I have no experience with led myself, but i've heard it is a different experience. 

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I second Hamme Hydro


I do not recommend led for such grows.  I would recommend CMH lights.  Ceramic metal halide lights.

However but before that, I suggest a proper business plan.  It will bring science to the endeavor and remove much of the "luck" that goes with a business/enterprise.  The following aspects are included for a genuinely effective business plan.  In the past a business plan was much more robust than today as banks only care about the collateral today rather than fitness of the business. 

  • I have looked at many such eager investors and enterprises and unfortunately I often have said what they want to do not want to hear and illustrate the flaws and reasons it likely wont work because the business plan illustrates the difficulties and barriers that they will face.  The business plan is your blue print and from that you prove on paper the soundness of the enterprise.  Depending on that outcome.
    • If you are responsible for sales and marketing than a business management plan is required.  This is most important as it illustrates directly how the enterprise will earn and sell its products. 
    • It is not necessarily a build it and they will come kind of thing.  I can you tell of much heart ache of people who went to California thinking they would make tons of money only to be told no thank you by purchasers and for a wide variety of reasons.
  • You then make an implementation plan where you write how and why you will setup and begin the enterprise.  A detailed plan.
  • Then you make an operational plan which describes how you will run the day to day operations in detail.

Examples of issue to account for, the price of finished product and the fluctuating prices over the course of the year as supply and demand go up and down for various reasons.  You have no luxury of an operational problem such as bugs, mold/mildew or any negative growing issue.  You have to be perfect each and every time.

Washington state currently has a huge surplus of product that it would be difficult to enter the market with a good price.  The Feds are beginning to go after illegal grows, large size in that state.  This means you must make sure all aspects of the business are proper and in accordance with local, county and state laws.  Zoning is a big deal along with ensuring all regulations are not just met but easily proved.

With so many people growing I myself would be worried about being able to compete in such an environment.

I write that above as to help.  If you like I will review anything you put together for the high price of nothing but that is to be paid upfront!!!


Jah Bless!

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We're thinking combination of LED and either DE or CMH. 

It's what almost all of the indoor farmers here are using already.   As far as business plan, we are doing that right now.  I am tasked with costing the gear consumables and utilities needed and he will be handling the building and purchasing a license.  Which I might have just found today while shopping lighting.  

I can do hydro but I like soil better, I get a way better flavor out of soil.  And if you get it right soil is almost as fast.  We will be running it here before we get going on this and start lab testing, if we have a problem passing, I may go hydro then.

Before we get really started we will have a cost benefit and full business plan laid out.   If the math does not add up to at least keeping the lights on, we will redo the whole thing and try again till it does work.

The business and operational plan is required by the state before they will issue or allow us to assume a license and move it.  The liquor control board here is terrified the federal govt will come tell them to stop to this state abides.  

Our plan for dealing with the market is the same one I used when I sold pot.  Just grow better pot than they do, so ours sells first.  If this does not pan out we start extracting.  

So far as yields go;


got that down.  

This is Lady Cane / Jack Hammer here, so you can kinda guess how strong it is.

Marketing of any kind  is not allowed here and sales are only to retailers who we show sample product to so that really doesn't get front burner yet.  My only real worry is quality control, and that is nothing new to me.

I just have to nail it 'every time' like you said.

Ultimately what got me the funding in the first place is the same thing that will sell the product.  

We have plenty of time, we are currently running a rental business that is the source of all the fun money we are spending on this project. 

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I should point out the reason we are starting a low tier farm (2k sq foot or smaller) is to build a business model to explore the industry in advance of what we all know is going to be federal legalization at some point in the not too distant future.

If something that small can stay afloat in this sea, were in.


Still lots of diligence to do, and we may end up completely changing our basic goal by the time we are done with the math.

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Are you Kidding me? And no one is going How Freaking Sweet is this!!!!!!! Whoa, that is just too cool.

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Good luck SOA

it sound sweet 

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Yep it may actually happen.

First hurdle is what Hempy brought up, the plan.  

We have to find out around what the layout will be to bare bones start up and how much the utilities are going to be.  Then we work out weather it will ever pay itself off, if there is an acceptable chance of that happening were on.

I already found a license to assume through some other friends of mine I was going to tap if this didn't happen.  I also have another tier 1 farm to consult with now.  Someone else I was hitting up for a job of all people.  They are just set up and running as producer only so I have a good model to look at right here in town.   

So far as the set up later, we plan on doing the same thing I do already with the totes.  We may do hydro if I can't get soil past lab testing but we would rather run these because they do not need constant care.  

We are still running the rental business.   That is an advantage that doesn't show as much, we have everything from plumbing to electrical work covered at a good price and can do much of the work ourselves.  And we are the most Low Overhead guys there are.  

That is really the name of the game starting this up.  

Putting out good stuff at a competitive cost.

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