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What a strange plant

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I have some autoflowers outside in the garden this year. I have one here about 5 weeks old, she's been budding maybe couple of weeks now. These are the sort of autoflowers I usually get.

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This one is Lemon Kush x Lowryder crossed with last year's USC Turkish male, a very strange plant.

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She was germinated in March, began flowering around the middle of May and is acting strangely. Its been putting on more branches than flowers and the flowers don't seem to be structurally anything I'm familiar with. Here's a closeup of a branch to give a better impression.

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All the flowering stems and branches and petioles this plant spits out are caked in sticky bubblegum scented resin. Its reminds me of the resin buildup on Caramel Cough. No idea what she's doing, where she's going and when she's going to finish. What a strange plant.

 

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She's not full auto and is in reveg, those single leaves show during reveg or harsh stress. If she keeps going into veg and not throwing more flower, remove the immature flowers cause they will die off and like dead leaves can be gross.

 

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This one's been odd from the start, all the plants came out as female autos, matured quickly and started budding indoors under 20+ hours of light. All the clones I cut are inch tall flowering buds. They're in the ground, any suggestions on what to do?

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If she is not full auto, as WiseCalyx said, then you can leave her until fall, or you can try putting a box over her during mornings or evenings to get something like 12/12 lighting that would force her to flower.  Since she is in the ground outside, it doesn't seem practical or wise to try to bring her inside for flowering.

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I've never seen anything like it. If it is trying to go back into veg, maybe make some cuts and see what they do. With the amount of triches on that girl, it might just something worth working with. Who knows, but it doesn't cost anything but a little time to give it a shot.

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Not quite sure what's going on then. I have talked to Maphisto and Greenwork about auto hybridization and that it takes 3 to 5 generations of selective inbreeding to fix an auto trait in the populus after a first outcross hybrid of auto and photo. That's where my comment originates from, and having delt with reveg in early May. 

Oddly enough some old world sativa throw single blades. 

 

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The box seems a bit impractical and besides, its the same under 12/12 as it is under 24 hours of light. I tried cloning already. They root and all but end up as inch tall budding plants. A friend  gave two of my clones to a very experienced grower who was certain he could get any clone to revert back, he was unsuccessful too. Also, last I looked at her I noticed the preflowers were swollen and covered in a layer of white frost but none of the hairs had changed. I've given a bunch away earlier this year as starts and everyone has reported similar results. No idea what to make of it. Either way I'll post updates as she progresses.

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Strange too, this cross came from a pack of Lemon Kush seeds grown in my garden last year that were supposed to be a photoperiod strain, I kept 2 and gave the others away. They were the most disappointing plants I ever grew (maybe 2 grams at best) and I crossed them in a effort to someday get my $20 worth out of them. There was no love in their creation, they were born of out of anger and spite.

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Sounds a like a "Growers Nemesis"  I think she would be interesting to work with, a project of sorts. That girl would put me on a mission. I'd take her to the 50 shades dungeon and whip her into submission. Lol

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I had a semi auto Male in a pack of New Blue Diesel back in 2k10. He kept opening up and dumping pollen in veg. None of the pollen was viable aside from what it made once I put it outside and was put into flower (it stretched and everything). All of the progeny turned out photo and NBD dominant. The clone I hit up was White Russian.

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A few weeks ago I pollenated one of the lower branches with a surprise Turkish Skunk male and killed the guy afterward. I didn't really think anything of it. The pistils on the plant that were hit have turned brown and they are making seeds. This makes me wonder if that means plants like this are more suited to producing seeds than other cannabis plants in the wild. Could a plant like this really mess up the gene pool? It's a scary thought, when it to procreation this plant does have a serious advantage over all the other plants. Consider all the other early maturing males that have already popped. Am I overthinking this?

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On 7/2/2018 at 3:07 PM, Gimme5minutes said:

A few weeks ago I pollenated one of the lower branches with a surprise Turkish Skunk male and killed the guy afterward. I didn't really think anything of it. The pistils on the plant that were hit have turned brown and they are making seeds. This makes me wonder if that means plants like this are more suited to producing seeds than other cannabis plants in the wild. Could a plant like this really mess up the gene pool? It's a scary thought, when it to procreation this plant does have a serious advantage over all the other plants. Consider all the other early maturing males that have already popped. Am I overthinking this?

Most hemp is farmed for seed or fiber all over the world. I've been talking with Seattle Chronic a lot lately as he does work with THC dom but also varying degrees of CBD plants. He tests even his males and does selection fro. 150 to 500 plants as well as stress tests all breeding wares. He and I have been speaking of Finolia lately as it is a smaller hemp variety that stacks hard. These hemp are grown for fiber and seed for sure and a prolific pollinators. The reason he is looking into this cultivar specifically is to work with the CBG that a lot of varieties seem to lack. 

 

I have also been talking with Mephisto Genetics a lot about his extensive work with autoflower and that question has arose before. Seems that those who do auto right takes 3 generations to isolate the auto trait. But that doesn't mean you have a potent auto. They told me they then take their work back to a photo period plant 3 times as well to fix the drug traits and solidify (use OG for example) the wanted traits. Worked 3 times between each 3 times to the photo. Lots and lots of work to do it right and lock down all the drug traits and only the auto trait from the hemp (ruderalis).

Really depends how you look at it. Some of the CBD varieties are only hemp, like cherry wine hemp varietals. Great terpenes but hemp. 

 

I live in an area that will be starting to grow industrial hemp in the next couple years and I've been wondering about cross pollination of my outdoor with pure industrial hemp varieties. And haven't even thought about pondering what auto drug varieties would be doing. In the past I have only had to worry about some dick head growing hermie bag seed in my area.

 

I supposed it could really mess with the gene pool, but in the same way, we need to practice ethics when approaching these situations. We all get stoked hearing 30% THC but have lost some crucial terpenes profiles as well as cannabinoid profiles in the quest to breed THC rocket fuel. Don't get me wrong, I love it... but really think about the full spectrum and how we have bred pretty much to one cannabinoid profile until recent research and the culling of folk lore and misconceptions.

 

This brings me back to Seattle Chronic and his quest to not only isolate specific cannabinoids within cultivars but also reintroduce them into each other. He really is searching for full spec profiles as well as custom tailored profiles to meet specific needs. This dude is putting in work.

 

It's all in how you look at it. In the same light we need to preserve land race genetics and honestly start reintroducing them into current hybrids while keeping these lines pure. 

 

Ymmv and this is IMO

 

Happy 4th. Blow something up! Just not yourselves. 

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She's been hit by mold, scary mold right by the stem. It looks like a dead purple leaf but if you touch it breaks into thousands of tiny spores. Its early July, I don't think I've ever encountered mold so early, it usually hits in September. Nothing good here.

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Well, she has mold but she keeps carrying on anyway. The lower part is starting to finish up a branch at a time. The higher you go the more immature the flowers become. What has been taken off so far is beyond disappointing. All the calyxes are puffed up, at least 75% of the hairs are brown and she smells less like fruit and more like glue. Here's a freshly trimmed lower branch, there are dozens of them and and they all look just like this. What a nightmare.matureautobranch.thumb.jpg.283d2f283a9c33b64b34aa36dea4dcc2.jpg

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When a plant starts to bud and then revert it will take weeks to do so, sometimes even a month. Single leaf blades get thrown and the bud that started to show will "finish" up much like this. It will eventually fall off or get moldy while trying to flip back yet again. Only time I've ever had anything look like this was from a plant trying to bud early, take too long to get back and by the time its caught up the light hours are signaling flower again. I know you said that it's an auto but I've been asking auto experts about this and they find it highly unlikely an f1 photo x auto to harbor auto progeny. 

I only keep saying it because I've been there in this situation if it is what my 15 years of OD experience on my own (grew up outdoor with my pops prior). 

I may be wrong, and would totally admit it if proven, but I've seen at least a dozen or more over the last 15 years that looked like the first pictures and the end product of those confused ones looked just like your last pic. The single blades usually tend to come from some form of extreme stress. 

I am however empathetic to your situation because I have totally been there and feel for you. 

 

Hope other fronts are better.

 

Take care and be well.

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Removing the mature branches helped a lot. The plant seemed to bulk up a little when the smaller bits were cut away. There are no fan leaves or any obvious indicators this is a pot plant anymore, kind of cool.  She has stopped growing taller and is developing more flowers than previously, in particular on the upper area. There's a lot more flowers filling in the gaps but no sign of any fat buds shaping up. I've seen two of the other plants only recently and they're practically identical, same height, shape, everything. I'll keep you updated.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Well, time to finish this up. Mold hit her hard. I took her pic displaying a few bad leaves and it spread from there. I couldn't stay on top of it and had to cut her down. I decided to take her pic on August 15th because the resin on the leaves was beginning to turn white and about 40% of the hairs had quickly changed. The following day there were purple patches of mold dotting all over.

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After chopping and pruning (very easy) I realized there were no buds on this plant, it has produced only foxtailled flowers, no pot smell, just soft fruity scents. I'm pretty sure that even if it had gone longer she wouldn't have changed that much. There's a little bit I've set aside for smoking (only the finest tails) and the rest will be made into oil. I'll chime in with a smoke report in about a month's time. This one has lived a very unconventional life and leaves behind a pack of poorly labelled seeds. Until then here's the final photograph of a strange lady.

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Well, as promised here is a final smoke report to finish this off.

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Appearance: lots of short, flat and wispy foxtails. There's no bud but its all coated in resin. A lot of greys and browns, some yellow. Its all little 5 inch long sticks. I'm getting about 1 tiny joint for every 2 sticks. There are so many things that make this look terrible.

Smell: Exactly like Juicy Fruit gum. Not pungent but it permeates everything.

Taste: Its Juicy Fruit on the inhale and then a tobacco taste on the palette and then again on the exhale. After a few puffs the fruit taste is overpowered by the lingering tobacco taste, eventually the fruity taste disappears altogether.

Effect: The initial punch comes on quick. The effect in the body is more of a heaviness than a stone, my skin feels tight and there's a feeling of general lethargy and a desire to slow down. It forms a decent body stone, nice and relaxing but that heaviness is also there, it saps my energy and I lose focus. I get about 45 minutes to an hour out of it.

Overall: Looks like shit and smells like Juicy Fruit. It tastes like tobacco and hits like the first cigarette of the day. There's not much about this that I'd commonly associate with pot.

*The feedback I've been getting is that it tastes and smokes a lot like a flavoured miniature cigar. The stone can be debilitating and feels like something in your head has been turned off. It becomes easy to lose interest in anything. One person described it as being like antipsychotic medication.

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someone somewhere needs that kind of high, maybe u encountered green xanax :D

was an interesting read, thanks for that!

greetz

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The description of taste and effect in the post above was worth reading this entire thread.

Just curious did you go through a seed vendor for the auto, that was conscientiously objecting to its genetic predetermination?

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@MassMeds - Yeah, the seed (a photoperiod strain) came from a breeder's sealed pack directly from the breeder's own website.

On a lighter note, the bubble hash is crippling. The taste is just like real Morrocan hash, after a few puffs people just stop talking. The last joint I rolled had to be re-lit every time we passed it, the smoker would just space out and had to be reminded to what they were doing.

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