Mapito Run - Autoflower - 600Watt

[Mucker4you 27]

Hi, People Mucker4YOU here! 

Hey guys I've never grown before in Mapito been looking this on this website for about 6 months now and was so interested in the mapito growing I've stopped my coco grow to start and learn everything from the people on here How to grow with Mapito.

If you have any links to valuable information for me please send me the link, Dutch or English I've looked at many topics people have started and read a lot but there maybe some older one's that I have missed. 

I grow for personal use Only BUT WILL still speak about Yield. 

My setup is : 

1.2 X 1.2 X 2 Tent

Cool tube & Dutch barn Refelector

600 Watt Digi 250W-660W

6" Fan & Filter 

Flood & Drain table with a 123l Tank

Mapito in 35L Tubs

 

Nutes :

Once I have run out of these products I will then run lucas formula Powder stuff, With House & Garden Rootstim, Cal, Supervit 

Ionic Hydro Grow

Ionic Hydro Bloom

House & Garden Rootstim

Shogun Cal

Hesi Supervit

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SO FAR ~ 

Started the seeds with the paper towel method once they was about 1" long they was put into jiffy pellets.

30/08/2018 

Jiffy pellets soaked in 0.7EC + Max Dog of Rootstim and supervit - Once they was all in the jiffy pellet i put them under 400 watt light, was having issues with heat at the time so sometimes they was even under 250 watt also humidity was shit in the tent making them dry out to much heat. Started off really bad. 

 

05/09/2018 

Maptio was flushed with tap water once the run off from the maptio was the same PH as the tapwater I planted the jiffy pellets into the mapito, then gave them each 2L Of water 0.7ec, root stim, supevit per a tub. 

I put them onto the table and then filled my res up to the top res was 1.1EC & PH 5.6 and I've not changed the res yet I've got 3 floods so far out of the res and then I will do one more then re-fill it and start again. 

 

[Mucker4you 27]

First picture was taken on the 7TH - 2nd Picture was taken on the 9th

[Mucker4you 27]

10/09/18

Just pictures, Next water is the 12th - Will use what is last in the tank them add fresh water and start again. Next update will be the 12Th with how i do the flood and a video. 

 

[Justcozz 6,681]

Oh, I am watching this one. 

good luck bro, can't wait to see how this works for you. Didnt see what strain you have going, did I miss it?

[Collie Weed 641]

@Mucker4you Ja man !

Nice Pito grow!

 

My question also....
What strain of autoflower do you have there?

 

 

And also :
Do you keep a tight lighting schedule of 20 hours of light and 4 hours of dark?

 

[Mucker4you 27]

Hello @Collie Weed it's exodus cheese from green house seeds, 

The lighting is 18/6 , 

 

I've never grown Autoflowers and never used Mapito so it's all new to me. Hopefully people can give me some guidance here

[Mucker4you 27]

@Justcozz Exodus cheese Auto from green house seeds, I'm new to this so hopefully it wont mess up 

 

Thanks 

[Collie Weed 641]

@Mucker4you : i do get sidetracked once in a while.........
but i will try to fill in your blanks if i can

 

First up,try to blast them with 20 hours of light.
This way they will make better/tighter buds.
Autoflowers want the same light as @ the summer pole circle,20 hours.
'cause that's where ruderalis came from originally,and you would want the highest metabolic rate possible without interfering their rest.

So 20/4 all the way if you'd ask me about auto's

[Mucker4you 27]

@Collie Weed I will start that from today mate, Have you grown on Mapito before? 

[Collie Weed 641]

Nope.......
i am manic 'bout organic man,no hydro here.

[Mucker4you 27]

7 minutes ago, Collie Weed said:

Nope.......
i am manic 'bout organic man,no hydro here.

Do you think organic can out yield a Hydro SOG?  

[Collie Weed 641]

Depends on your hydro skills,or your organic skills 
 

 

[Darth Budder 957]

56 minutes ago, Collie Weed said:

Depends on your hydro skills,or your organic skills 
 

 

and just to add a bit of subjective proof based on personal experience to that My 6 plant DWC grow yielded nearly the same as my 6 plant soil grow with the same lights, strain and chemical nutrients. I am not sure if both were fall grows (as far as environmental concerns) off hand, but i assume so given how well they went. I am now doing a 6 plant soil organic grow (all products OMRI listed, dry soil based ferts and clean water only) and it is shaping up almost exactly the same as those two grows. if all finishes up well I expect i will grab anywhere from 45-55 grams per plant just like those two grows. 

Given the same space, strain, light and environmental conditions to both a soil and hydro grower, the least common denominator is the gardener.  This organic run I am doing is by far the least labor intensive.  Less labor, less fuck ups (In my time doing hydro, i cannot tell you how many times i fucked up the nute mix). 1 in 4 or 5 grows would go horrible. Out of the rest maybe I would hit my sweet spot half the time. My hydro kung-fu is shit, so off to soil i went!

DB

[Hempyfan 4,152]

yield and quality is not based on media all things competent.

it is environment that rules that.

Media is benefit comes from how well you can manage your watering, nutrition with your environmental conditions.

mapito/hydro will uptake nutrition right away.

[Hempyfan 4,152]

I would do an ec at .80 max at that stage.

they are babies still.  also they are still establishing roots to push leaves and stems.  high nitrogen at this stage can limit root growth.  Phosphorus is best with a little nitrogen (rooting nutrition or flowering nutrition) is ideal.

Flood and drain will push EC towards the top of the media.  You risk burning your plants as the babies lack deep roots.  

as the plants develop their roots will feed deeper in the media and not be effected by concentrated EC in the top layer of the mapito.

hope that helps.

Hempyfan!

[Mucker4you 27]

22 hours ago, Darth Budder said:

and just to add a bit of subjective proof based on personal experience to that My 6 plant DWC grow yielded nearly the same as my 6 plant soil grow with the same lights, strain and chemical nutrients. I am not sure if both were fall grows (as far as environmental concerns) off hand, but i assume so given how well they went. I am now doing a 6 plant soil organic grow (all products OMRI listed, dry soil based ferts and clean water only) and it is shaping up almost exactly the same as those two grows. if all finishes up well I expect i will grab anywhere from 45-55 grams per plant just like those two grows. 

Given the same space, strain, light and environmental conditions to both a soil and hydro grower, the least common denominator is the gardener.  This organic run I am doing is by far the least labor intensive.  Less labor, less fuck ups (In my time doing hydro, i cannot tell you how many times i fucked up the nute mix). 1 in 4 or 5 grows would go horrible. Out of the rest maybe I would hit my sweet spot half the time. My hydro kung-fu is shit, so off to soil i went!

DB

I've heard about this super soil or something and you  can run the whole grow with just add water I would be really interested in that if you have any information or is it a myth 

[Mucker4you 27]

10 hours ago, Hempyfan said:

I would do an ec at .80 max at that stage.

they are babies still.  also they are still establishing roots to push leaves and stems.  high nitrogen at this stage can limit root growth.  Phosphorus is best with a little nitrogen (rooting nutrition or flowering nutrition) is ideal.

Flood and drain will push EC towards the top of the media.  You risk burning your plants as the babies lack deep roots.  

as the plants develop their roots will feed deeper in the media and not be effected by concentrated EC in the top layer of the mapito.

hope that helps.

Hempyfan!

Hi, Hempyfan 

My starting water is 0.7EC, The feed i've been feeding them now is 1.1EC. 

Should I carry on with the 1.1EC or go with the 0.8EC you said with the new tank? 

Or should I restart the whole grow again with new plant etc? 

Have you heard of this super soil that you can grow in with just water as all the nutes are in the soil now that sound interesting 

[Darth Budder 957]

28 minutes ago, Mucker4you said:

I've heard about this super soil or something and you  can run the whole grow with just add water I would be really interested in that if you have any information or is it a myth 

I think @HempyFan and @Bagwell can speak to this pretty well, but from what i see right now I would say its no myth.  

My current run is using bagged potting soil and dry nutes from Dr earth.  I am watering with purified water, but top dressing every 2 weeks up to week 4 of flower with the dry nutes.  So far, I am finding the process a lot easier and less error prone than mixing nutes with water.  Ill let you know better next week, its typically in week 4-5 that i start having real problems during my grows, but from what I see its smooth sailing from here on out with just water and no more top dressing.  As i understand it, using the dry nutes like this you are really feeding 2 weeks ahead of time. So the food i put in at day 28 will feed for days 42-56.  

Other folks, I know, mix up a super soil ahed of time by hand and use just water. So no, no myth. 

DB

[Mucker4you 27]

48 minutes ago, Darth Budder said:

I think @HempyFan and @Bagwell can speak to this pretty well, but from what i see right now I would say its no myth.  

My current run is using bagged potting soil and dry nutes from Dr earth.  I am watering with purified water, but top dressing every 2 weeks up to week 4 of flower with the dry nutes.  So far, I am finding the process a lot easier and less error prone than mixing nutes with water.  Ill let you know better next week, its typically in week 4-5 that i start having real problems during my grows, but from what I see its smooth sailing from here on out with just water and no more top dressing.  As i understand it, using the dry nutes like this you are really feeding 2 weeks ahead of time. So the food i put in at day 28 will feed for days 42-56.  

Other folks, I know, mix up a super soil ahed of time by hand and use just water. So no, no myth. 

DB

Thanks mate, Want to nail the Mapito then in another tent run something organic and go from there.  

[Darth Budder 957]

HempyFan is a guy that I (and many others here it seems) really respect.  I asked a question about PH and watering organic soil, here is what he said:

 

Quote

 

@Hempyfan Posted August 2

the soil recipes here will put you on easy mode.  the soil recipe I write on, changed many a growers direction who had issues from here.  

ph will be perfect.

http://culturalhealingandlife.com.www413.your-server.de/index.php?/topic/22-soil-recipe/

 

regarding reusing soil, add 10 to 15 percent worm castings or similar with a layer of compost on top of the media.  you may need a bit of calcium and magnesium but use at 1/4 original recipe and adjust as plants indicate for the following round.

Biochar (charged) is great when reusing soil.  homes for microbes.

 

The second part for me (regarding reusing soil) is going to be the most important test of this method. Can I do multiple runs without discarding soil, simply top dressing and tilling 4-6 inches of my 14in of soil...  

 

[Hempyfan 4,152]

12 hours ago, Mucker4you said:

Hi, Hempyfan 

My starting water is 0.7EC, The feed i've been feeding them now is 1.1EC. 

Should I carry on with the 1.1EC or go with the 0.8EC you said with the new tank? 

Or should I restart the whole grow again with new plant etc? 

Have you heard of this super soil that you can grow in with just water as all the nutes are in the soil now that sound interesting 

ok, with a high ec in water continue with your current ec but pay attention to your plants and adjust accordingly up ir down.

check out the soil recipes in the link posted by Darth Budder.  That is super soil so to speak.  much information than just recipes.

Also, check out the natural farming section and imo and other inputs to make the soil truly special but that is more involved.

hope that helps.

Hempyfan!

[Justcozz 6,681]

@Darth Budder, you can absolutely run the same soil over and over. I am on my 3rd run with the same soil mix (a super soil similar to the mix Hempyfan suggests) My first run, my nitrogen was a little high and it threw off my PH, and had to flush a couple of times, but second run it worked great. I tried using some additional nutes and the plants hated it. 

I store my soil in Rubbermaid containers in my shop. Cut the stalks an inch or so into the soil and left the roots. Made sure it's moist and even had a few worms that made it into the soil from last summers outdoor veggie garden. Worms are still alive when I filled my pots for this grow. There was enough microbes to do their thing and keep the soil "alive" and the majority of the root balls were almost gone.

remember, Mother Earth does not toss out used soil. 

 

Edit:

I did add a few cups of worm castings when I dumped all my pots into the storage bins. No mixing, just sprinkle it in as I added soil.

 

[Darth Budder 957]

2 hours ago, Justcozz said:

@Darth Budder, you can absolutely run the same soil over and over. I am on my 3rd run with the same soil mix (a super soil similar to the mix Hempyfan suggests) My first run, my nitrogen was a little high and it threw off my PH, and had to flush a couple of times, but second run it worked great. I tried using some additional nutes and the plants hated it. 

I store my soil in Rubbermaid containers in my shop. Cut the stalks an inch or so into the soil and left the roots. Made sure it's moist and even had a few worms that made it into the soil from last summers outdoor veggie garden. Worms are still alive when I filled my pots for this grow. There was enough microbes to do their thing and keep the soil "alive" and the majority of the root balls were almost gone.

remember, Mother Earth does not toss out used soil. 

 

Edit:

I did add a few cups of worm castings when I dumped all my pots into the storage bins. No mixing, just sprinkle it in as I added soil.

 

LOL, it depends on your definition of "You" @Justcozz.  I agree with the general usage, as in "(You)A person should be able to re-use their soil, Jord does not toss out used soil!". I have not yet determined if the specific usage is true yet however, as in "(You)Darth Budder should be able to re-use their soil, Jord does not toss out used soil!"... 

DB