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Hello All;

 

Sadly, I just heard of E$cobar no longer breeding

My reaction to that was likely similar to yours...now Im in "damage control mode"... has anyone kept his lines going? especially Lady Cane?

His Apollo Cross as well I had strong interest in...never got to it.

I did make some Chocolate Rain Extrema crosses taht I still have seeds of...but nothing else as I felt confident the man would be around a LONG time (based on his passion and success).

Im Gobsmacked... and hoping we as a community can sustain this mans legacy for our sakes and others

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It's a nice thought....

But once someone else intrprets it it's not eskos

It's yours

Add to that plants of exact genetic make up can become 2 different phenos due to environment and we'll ...

Is what it is.

Esko always told us what he used to create them, so sure you could do same but they would be your version 

 

One of the last things we talked about was why I worry with  the old strains and stuff he did when we in USA have many fine genetics to choose from.

But maybe it could be done in a fairly accurate interpetation?

 

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Yes Sir.

As an apolo fan I had wanted to get her...but I have limited space and the man had a lot of stuff to try... lol.

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8 minutes ago, FlaTransplant said:

has anyone kept his lines going? especially Lady Cane? 

Lady Cane is kind of preserved by Cannabella Seed Club. They made it a F4. I don't now how good they are compared to the original, but you can check in my smoke report topic.

As an update to my report I should add that many friends liked her for the strong up while having a pretty clear high. One friend said even that for him it had all the positive effects of Kokain, without the negatives though. He really missed her when she was gone. I missed a bit the psychedelic effect, but crossed her as well, because she had many positiv qualities.

Regarding the general topic I would appreciate everyones effort to preserve esko's gems.

happy weekend to all and all the best for esko and his life/future.

luma

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My main concern is the phenos he worked with...His G13 etc. Sure I can rebuild the strain (As I am SORELY tempted to do with Sannies  New Blue Diesel: Alas I dont have the particular phenos that were used and that I LOVED... I've tried others Blue Diesels out of necessity and they were merely average...not what my NBDs were at all.)

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I wish I knew about Cannabella Seed Club earlier, I can't believe how long I've been waiting for Lady Cane to drop again.

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5 hours ago, lumatekfan said:

Lady Cane is kind of preserved by Cannabella Seed Club. They made it a F4. I don't now how good they are compared to the original, but you can check in my smoke report topic.

As an update to my report I should add that many friends liked her for the strong up while having a pretty clear high. One friend said even that for him it had all the positive effects of Kokain, without the negatives though. He really missed her when she was gone. I missed a bit the psychedelic effect, but crossed her as well, because she had many positiv qualities.

Regarding the general topic I would appreciate everyones effort to preserve esko's gems.

happy weekend to all and all the best for esko and his life/future.

luma

I have 4 LC f3 reg beans Esko gave me 5? Years ago in freezer

Fucking beast I tell you, I not dare run her here, she needs 

Her space and she will show you glory .I kept her for maybe one day breeding  and cross breeding

But I lack eskos taste and knowledge

And am easily distracted lol

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i just sank 1 Chocolope! lets go cra-zy! :showoff:

 

ive never had weed that actually fitted the description as blue rocket did, every word in there is like scripture! 

Soft lime blends, some joghurt, something berries. Colorisation from purple blues to light green yellowing is normal. Rocket in the name stands for the fast uplifting high. It makes people smile and happy.
 

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l am scoping Cannabellas' Strawberry cream pie - which is an F2 of  some Chocolate Rain strawberry phenos. I've only heard good things from them and they are not chasing trends with cookies or whatever is hot in the US at the moment; hell the fact they are breeding with Esko's genetics is a good sign because that implies they know quality when they smoke or grow it. . 

 l hear ya. l still shake my head at  the thought failing to re-veg a garlic smelling boudica pheno l had, though l did makes seeds with my best pineapple boudica male.

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The Chocolate rain strawberry yougurt pheno was a great and awesome find! I had all (well some) of my friends smell it and they were amazed.

Probably only thing ive smelt that overall impressed me more was New Blue Diesel (but i digress... lol)

Ive ordered the Jalisco Haze and Jalisco IBL (Stoked about his comments of IBL's breeding potential and uber potent phenos to be found) My intent is to make an open pollination (maybe getting rid of the too sativish phenos as esco suggests) and then cross with Apollo 13, Grimmdica,  C99, Blueberry, Killing Fields maybe NYCD (i.e strains im already impressed with). To see what it does and what it passes on (again to starins I have some familiarity with and appreciation for).... please keep in mind im stoned (SUPRISE!) and spit-ballin here.

Im noting Esco seems to like (at least some) of Somas strains.. this is causing me to take a look closer at his other strains (Somaliciious, Somaui etc).

I am STILL somewhat surprised by all this.. i really didnt think it would happen (Yet I know that all things with a start have an end...just DANG!)

 

Cheers

 

P.S. Here is a Chocolate rain vs NL#5/Big Bud plant i made doing some chucking a few years ago....hanging now in my closet

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Im working on BerryDawg F3, its a selection from (Bluechem f2 x (Bluechem x Blueberry)) if there are interessets, all parents where freebees from sanniesshop/eskobar a few years ago. Stable, fast and fruity, for me, its one of my alltimer.

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esKobar's gear was killer. good to see more people trying to preserve their packs.

i have the original mothers and can ressurect the lines, if need be. nothing is lost ;)

 

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2 hours ago, santero said:

esKobar's gear was killer. good to see more people trying to preserve their packs.

i have the original mothers and can ressurect the lines, if need be. nothing is lost ;)

 

Maybe? As I understand it although you have the mothers

Recent? Hehe

Depending on environment they could be different phenos.

If your are dirt, his hydro for instance.

Additional environmental factors play in to.

They ain't eskos bro, they are now your interpetation.

Question, if Esko gave you the mothers how did that happen?

Mail, you drove there I suppose and done em back

Shit man you got balls.

Can environment make those mother's change phenos or would apply only to children and clones?

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"If your are dirt, his hydro for instance.

Additional environmental factors play in to.

They ain't eskos bro, they are now your interpetation."

 

I'll assume you're stoned to beejeezus with this comment.  

A Mom's a mom, dude, makes no difference if her feet are in water or mud, and they are as much Esko's as if he'd grown them himself, just as any clone is a clone is a clone.   What planet you on today?  Lol  No worries, I've visited the same planet many times.   

I've got hundreds of F2 and F3 Chucky's Bride and Holy Princess seeds, and they, too, are all Esko's work, but of course, will have different phenotypes, but not that many.  Chucky wasn't that stable, but the taste comes through on most phenos.  My biggest complaint was it was so stretchy and spindly, a small price to pay for the smoke.  Had a few short indica type phenos, but they seemed to be outliers.

Got three nice Chucky's in veg now from seed, all look pretty uniform, haven't grown any out for 3 or 4 years, thought it would be great Christmas pot.        

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Why, as I read it environment can cause different phenos

2 exact clones 

2 different  environment

Will cause 2 different phenos

Someone skipped genetics 101?

Now I'm not sure if  a change environment can change an existing pheno types well..pheno

I let your genius ass self chime in while I research real gentisists opinions and well

Opt out of the stoners guide hehe

 

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Im suspecting by what Santero said (and the man is quite good at english) that he HAS Escobars breeding plants (or clones of same).

Could you tell me what if anything Esco has done with the 2 unreleased Mexican lines? Guerrero and Mowhakian? (sp)

Indicaliscoious: I would gladly receive anything you have to offer from Esco

Santero... do you think Esco would mind us making his seeds available as freebies in the future? (i will be able to propogate the Jallisco IBL and Haze with any luck at all).

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Nah, my genetics knowledge is just fine, as is my experience, and I am a genius, Wish more folks would notice.  

 I’ve grown out hundreds of clones, and never once had one mutate due to environmental factors. I’m not claiming it can’t happen, only that what you claim is an outlier, not a reason to state a mother or a clone aren’t original genetics, that’s simply not true, as millions of dollars of cannabis production and research would also support   Holy grail strains have been resurrected or preserved for decades because the parents were kept by someone   Somewhere, someone, is growing the same Acapulco Gold I loved in 1972    

You want to know about environmental stress, genetics, mother plants, and why we’re all here today?  Google “the great root ball rescue, cannabis, California, Amsterdam pot history”, and how indoor growing became science.  Seriously    It’s a fascinating read.   

Theres really no arguement to find here.    

Toker, here’s research that confirms what you’re saying, sort of:  http://www.cannabisindustryinstitute.com/news/unlocking-mysteries-genetic-drift/

The point seems to be, Plant DNA doesn’t change, how that DNA is expressed in growth may, based on environmental factors, which is true of all plants   

Peace   

 

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15 hours ago, Toker said:

Why, as I read it environment can cause different phenos

2 exact clones 

2 different  environment

Will cause 2 different phenos

Someone skipped genetics 101?

Now I'm not sure if  a change environment can change an existing pheno types well..pheno

I let your genius ass self chime in while I research real gentisists opinions and well

Opt out of the stoners guide hehe

 

For example.... I am in Canada and a clone of me is raised in the tropics. He may have a different education, social interactions, different diet and as a result a somewhat different body structure but were you to look at his chromosomes... his DNA, he would be an exact match to me. Not a partial as a sibling or parent but identical (on a genetic and thus propagation basis) despite environmental factors.

Now you may observe either one of us and may be led to think one is superior genetically to the other...when its largely environmental factors that biased the outcome. One can only discern this by repeatedly growing the specimen in different mediums and harvesting at different times and then subsequently observing the effects that are passed on to progeny .....E$co took this type of care to know his plants (although it seems medium for him was exclusively soil) and their properties.... its why I'm blown away he stopped... that's a LOT of knowledge (i.e. momentum) to suppress.

 

This Rambling response brought to you by Boudica: Damn shes Good!!

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On 9/21/2018 at 10:50 AM, Sunnyvale said:

You mean Blue Rocket?

Ricky! Fer Fk sakes!

Leave it to you to recall the name of a strain but to fk up Sasquatch and jalapeno (sam squantch and Jal ap ano are NOT the correct pronounciations!)

Yer Favourite Nemesis

Conkie

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environment does not change a phenotype, just the expression of the phenotype.

the DNA does not change.

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Didn't read all, but isn't someone taking over his strains? If not why doesn't someone?

Edited by gardenartus
I just read up, Do It Santero!
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Santero has them I believe and most likely will, but isn't planning it anytime it the near future from what I read in another thread. Lots of people have the seeds still but the parents would be the key. I'm sure it'll happen one day. Nothing happens fast in the wonderful world of Cannabis, this I know. I hope to do my part to at least keep some beans going. I have an f2 Chuckys and looks like I might get a chance at running some Choco Rain for a friend to keep it going for seeds. It'll be open pollination. I'm hoping to find a trade someday of his other stuff. Boudica, Holy P, ....  Anyone ever try to make seeds from Aztec Rain fem? Seems like I heard it's possible, but beyond my pay grade.

peace

mrG

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im just waiting for all the crazy blueberry crosses, and will be looking to cross the chocolope with a choco thai cross ive kept around

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