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On 3/27/2020 at 2:49 PM, Maria sanchez said:

 El Chupa has lockdown with 10 kg of herb.

Stay safe, amigo.

I wish. 

The harvest was very rushed and hurried. I had planned to chop the plants and hang them with leaves and all in the scrog net. But it was taking too much time, time which I didn't have. 

An executive decision was taken on a novel drying method: 

The pipes were drained, reservoirs emptied, pumps turned off, lights off. Without any water like that, the plants die in a few hours. 

This is novel only because, normally, you'd like to clean the pipes and put the next batch of clones in. But I don't know when that kind of commitment will be possible from my side.

They will sit there for the next 10 days or so as they dry. Didn't get many pics, due to the rush I was in. Police routinely check these industrial estates to ensure that there is no activity during lockdown period. If they see air conditioning running, they ask to open the site to make sure nobody is working inside. We have an arrangement with them but it's still not good to be the only warehouse with running air conditioners. Draws attention. 

The critical jack #7 before crop:

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Closer:

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She had another 2 weeks to go, easy. If I had given her another 2 weeks, I would have seen magic.

Even my winning amnesia wasn't quite done. Another week or so, she had. But I'll definitely run this amnesia (#8) and the critical jack #7 again. 

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I will also rerun amnesia #5:

 

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Closer:

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everythjng is looking very wonky as I was unable to visit for about 6-7 days. the critical plus row was unaffected as they were at that stage where they weren't drinking much apart from water.

 

I saw the root health, not very happy with how this turned out. I think I will get rid of the pipes and just use multiple 200L plastic tanks fed by a central master tank with nutes controlled by the intelligrow controller. I think if done right I should only have to empty the reservoir once or twice throughout the cycle. It will be totally 6000 - 7200L of water.

The other option is to build metal tables with maybe a foot of wall at the sides, making the top of the table essentially a big tank. Line it with pond liner, set up a feed and drain pipe, and I should be good to go. Could also just have it welded directly to the scrog structure I have already and I'm in business.

However, at a 30cm wall height, each "table" would be 30cm x 140cm x 730 cm in volume - upwards of 2000 litres per row and 12000 for the full room. That's too much, I think. So will probably go ahead with the tanks.

Best vibes at bad times

El chupa

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11 hours ago, elchupacabra said:

The harvest was very rushed and hurried. I had planned to chop the plants and hang them with leaves and all in the scrog net. But it was taking too much time, time which I didn't have. 

An executive decision was taken on a novel drying method: 

The pipes were drained, reservoirs emptied, pumps turned off, lights off. Without any water like that, the plants die in a few hours. 

This is novel only because, normally, you'd like to clean the pipes and put the next batch of clones in. But I don't know when that kind of commitment will be possible from my side.

They will sit there for the next 10 days or so as they dry. Didn't get many pics, due to the rush I was in. Police routinely check these industrial estates to ensure that there is no activity during lockdown period. If they see air conditioning running, they ask to open the site to make sure nobody is working inside. We have an arrangement with them but it's still not good to be the only warehouse with running air conditioners. Draws attention. 

Best vibes at bad times

El chupa

That's a real pity, but better safe than sorry.

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Hey fellas and fellissimas,

finally ready to get back into action. Lost all but 2 clones due to having to shut and cut power to the site. Took a couple clones and stuck em in a grow tent at home with as little power as possible to curtail their growth. Both were amnesia. 
 

sweet amnesia haze by sweet seeds is a true dreamer. Amazing smoke, brilliant taste, but like the rest of their lineup, not a great yielder. 
 

the jack pheno of critical jack was also amazing. 
 

the winning phenos of amnesia gave me around 300-400g a piece and they’re the ones I’m going forward with. They’re vegging away.

 

meanwhile, I’ve been hard at work with my partner. Got rid of all the pipes and the clogging they bring and set up an overkill Rdwc setup. Total of 1200L of water for 12 plants, and 2 inch pipes connecting the tanks. Total water volume is a whopping 7200 litres, but this along with the automation should ensure that I never have to come just to fill nutes, and that I never experience any sort of flooding. I did this for all the pipe setups. Tired of dealing with clogged pipes and drilling holes in curved surfaces and plugging up the side of the fittings to make sure they don’t leak.
 

shifting to jr peters ferts this time. GH Flora would just get unnecessarily expensive. I’m working on formulating my own nutes but that’s a trial and error process it’ll do on the side. 
 

also have some of FoTH’s Auto Shackzilla and Sweet Seeds Auto Trainwreck on the way. Should be done by end of the year, while the photo plants should be done by late jan I guess.
 

hope everyone is okay and we didn’t lose anyone. starting to feel that COVID is a far smaller threat than it’s been made to be, somehow I don’t think we should be shutting down the world for a 0.16% mortality rate. But I’m no virologist, just statistically literate.

 

best vibes

el Chupa

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So. folks. After a long hiatus, I am back.

Technically, i've been 'back' for a while, but due to political instability, I tried to stay on the low. but now with a vpn, i don't think i need to concern myself as much with the traceability of these posts as far as IP goes. 

Tomorrow is the day of the harvest. or at least the beginning of it. 

 

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I don't know what I was thinking. 1500 square feet of grow space, 72 plants above 7 feet tall - this is NOT a one man job. I'm very grateful I had a friend who I could hire to help me with the setup, but 95% of the work as far as growing goes was me. Not a joke.

Gavita HPS 1000w bulbs, each light covers an area of about 4.5x5.5 feet. for each row of 4 bulbs, i've got 12 plants. lights are about 9.5 feet off of the ground, i'm thinking of lowering them a bit next time.

Whats the recommended lifespan of these original greenpower bulbs in hours? 

The importance of pruning shoots under the upper net cannot be said enough. If I had had the time and the capacity to promptly keep the bottom of these ladies' skirts clean I would be looking at a much bigger yield. 

I also vegged them about a week too long. This resulted in them growing just a little taller than I'd have liked, and tall enough for them to buckle under their own weight once the buds started piling on. This only added tons of work for me. 

All amnesia by dinafem (RIP, won't be getting any more seeds ever from Dinafem due to their legal issues, I'm certain). Two very different clones. One that grows skyscraper foxtail colas, and one that has chunks of bud on a stick. both great yielders, pretty different tastes and smells (within the amnesia spectrum). 

Both have a lot of lateral growth. Harvest over the next few days (really glad I was able to get my hands on a trim pro rotor, should make the larf trimming much easier). Got some really nice looking robust regular Killing Fields seeds coming along in the R&D room. 

Pull up your chairs for numbers, smoke reports, and more pictures.
 

best vibes

 

El Chupa

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So much tiny larf, I'm really starting to feel that I need to seriously trim and prune even more. I think I'll definitely hit my paltry target of 0.5 gpw, but frankly given the fact that I have zero employee costs and can only do so much work before my brain decides to take a holiday, I'm okay with that. For the quantity of grow work (as a total number of manhours) being put in, I'm okay. 

Im also thinking it'll be better to keep the lights on a bar that can be raised and lowered by means of a motor..to keep the lights at optimum distance at every stage of growth. Need to do some testing with my new PAR meter and see if it makes a difference or if the overlapping light of the neighbouring 1000w hps adds enough already.

This next round will be my last with hps for sure. I'll need new bulbs, and I'd rather just get leds.

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Indeed impressive, a grow this size i can only dream of! But i can imagine how much work it must be, especially harvesting.

When i still grew with hps, i often had fluff too, I've experimented with height of the lamp but it didn't help much.

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On 3/20/2021 at 10:45 AM, elchupacabra said:

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El Chupa

 

Holy smoke.

Stay safe.

Hope your network getting this out and getting your pay is safe and strong.

You're an instant legend with this grow!!

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On 3/22/2021 at 12:38 AM, Hamme Hydro said:

Indeed impressive, a grow this size i can only dream of! But i can imagine how much work it must be, especially harvesting.

When i still grew with hps, i often had fluff too, I've experimented with height of the lamp but it didn't help much.

Man, the fluff is the most annoying part. I have no complaints in trimming the colas. That fuckin bumfluff is the most annoying. 

The job of cutting up the plants and hanging them takes up too much time and space. I repeated my last harvest method. I cut the plants at the base of the stem, drain all the water from the tanks, turn off all the lights, and keep the dehumidifers at about 55% R/H and the Air Cons at 25°C.

Dried in 5 days to a crisp, i had to turn my dehumidifiers up and come back a day later.

Trimming is taking a part of my soul. I think next round i will sacrifice the losses and use an electric trimmer and bucker. i can't be doing this leaf trimming shit for so long, it's a serious mindfuck.

 

for next round, i will be trying shackzilla feminised from seed. sannie says its a very homogenous strain, i certainly hope so.

I think my problem is that I wait for the scrog to get too full before flipping. I need to flip when it's just 50% full and aggressively keep the plant level. I've seen some ridiculously even homogenous scrogs on here, hope I can emulate those.

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Don't know if i could find the spirit to do it by hand. I already hate cutting a square foot of fluff, it's a terrible job.  I can only imagine that trimming a room the size of yours must feel like a twenty-five to life sentence. Have you looked at the automated dry trimmers? I think you'll love them!

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I know switching everything is probably not an option but leds make for much denser buds than hps. If all the lower stuff is remove there is no larf

my experience from switching from hps to leds

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27 minutes ago, oldschoolsg said:

I know switching everything is probably not an option but leds make for much denser buds than hps. If all the lower stuff is remove there is no larf

my experience from switching from hps to leds

Mine too! Absolutely!

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@elchupacabra nice grow you have here

Why not working with clones to get a uniform grow?

Running just from seeds is nice but not if you need to pay your bills, you never know wich is the result

real stable strains wich are growing uniform are rare or impossible to find, old ibls in the 15th generation even have there (slighlty) differences, we are working here with nature and not with legoblocks :)

For the fluff, you can remove the first 2-4 side branches, better airflow, stronger ladys and better buds should be the result

I keep all branches and use the smallest fluff stuff to make dry ice hash, no need to trim them

In my opinion 25 degrees is a bit to hot/fast for drying, I would use around 20 degrees to get 7-10 days for drying

On 3/20/2021 at 10:45 AM, elchupacabra said:

Whats the recommended lifespan of these original greenpower bulbs in hours? 

I would not use them longer then 3-4 grows or 1 year, better you test with a par meter if you can,

10% lost light costs 10% buds, so maybe you like to change after each grow your bulbs

 

best vibes and stay safe

 

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On 4/4/2021 at 3:24 PM, Indicalicious said:

@elchupacabra nice grow you have here

Why not working with clones to get a uniform grow?

Running just from seeds is nice but not if you need to pay your bills, you never know wich is the result

real stable strains wich are growing uniform are rare or impossible to find, old ibls in the 15th generation even have there (slighlty) differences, we are working here with nature and not with legoblocks :)

For the fluff, you can remove the first 2-4 side branches, better airflow, stronger ladys and better buds should be the result

I keep all branches and use the smallest fluff stuff to make dry ice hash, no need to trim them

In my opinion 25 degrees is a bit to hot/fast for drying, I would use around 20 degrees to get 7-10 days for drying

I would not use them longer then 3-4 grows or 1 year, better you test with a par meter if you can,

10% lost light costs 10% buds, so maybe you like to change after each grow your bulbs

 

best vibes and stay safe

 

Hey there,

Thanks for your input. Seen your grows, they're props.

So about the seeds I have an amnesia clone I'm working with. This grow I used 2 different amnesia clones from the same batch of seeds. Now I've narrowed it down to 1.

The thing is, end of day I want some more variety. Also, nobody else is doing this in my country. My clients are not ready to just smoke amnesia all year long. 

My testing area is being used to test some killing fields. I figured next round I'll take a homogeneous set of seeds (like shackzilla) and fill up half the grow with those ones. I'll have space for about 36 shackzillas, so I think with 36 plants I should be able to find a good cutting and cover my costs.

I think I just flip them into flowering way too late, after the screen is too full, then it's completely pointless. 

With the KF, I just squashed them down with a screen, will flip in a few days. 2 plants, about 1.25sqm and 400w. 200w (4x CXB 3590 3000K @50w each) and a 200w samsung Quantum board (lm301h + a few watts of UV and IR).

the 200w Quantum board is looking beautiful. I need to find a way to shift the grow to all LED.

best vibez

El Chupa

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Fantastic grow!! I've not run anything that big. When I did run a room, and we had 40-50 hours of trimming, I would fill clean garbage bags of lowers (branches), and stuff them in a chest freezer. After my buds were hanging, I'd put some good gloves on, and hand strip, the frozen branches, not cutting, just gripping and pulling, into a large tote, for edibiles/hash/oil.

Probably not an option, but frozen leaf crumbles quickly and easy over snipsnipsnip. I did not have enough plants to justify a trimmer, but once a store was going out of business, I got myself a nice chest freezer, $200.00 that has only ever held weed for most part. Even my trimmings get frozen, so I can glove up, and crush a garbage bag of trimmings in a few minutes.

Again, wonderful grow!!

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On 4/6/2021 at 4:09 AM, elchupacabra said:

Hey there,

Thanks for your input. Seen your grows, they're props.

So about the seeds I have an amnesia clone I'm working with. This grow I used 2 different amnesia clones from the same batch of seeds. Now I've narrowed it down to 1.

The thing is, end of day I want some more variety. Also, nobody else is doing this in my country. My clients are not ready to just smoke amnesia all year long. 

My testing area is being used to test some killing fields. I figured next round I'll take a homogeneous set of seeds (like shackzilla) and fill up half the grow with those ones. I'll have space for about 36 shackzillas, so I think with 36 plants I should be able to find a good cutting and cover my costs.

I think I just flip them into flowering way too late, after the screen is too full, then it's completely pointless. 

With the KF, I just squashed them down with a screen, will flip in a few days. 2 plants, about 1.25sqm and 400w. 200w (4x CXB 3590 3000K @50w each) and a 200w samsung Quantum board (lm301h + a few watts of UV and IR).

the 200w Quantum board is looking beautiful. I need to find a way to shift the grow to all LED.

best vibez

El Chupa

Your welcome, Im just a lover of the best plant on earth.

I read often that Sannies Jack is very uniform, maybe give them a try.

Understand that no one would like to smoke a whole year one strain, putting more into testing or cuts should be a good way to satisfy our customer.

If I take so much effort and space for the grow I would run some testgrows before to select some awesome moms to fill the space up with heavy yielding quality :) but Im a dreamer

I think also its totally okay to run all 12/12 to save some money, better then paying 18 hours or more a day for nearly the same results.

 

best vibes and stay save

 

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On 4/9/2021 at 12:17 AM, Indicalicious said:

Your welcome, Im just a lover of the best plant on earth.

I read often that Sannies Jack is very uniform, maybe give them a try.

Understand that no one would like to smoke a whole year one strain, putting more into testing or cuts should be a good way to satisfy our customer.

If I take so much effort and space for the grow I would run some testgrows before to select some awesome moms to fill the space up with heavy yielding quality :) but Im a dreamer

I think also its totally okay to run all 12/12 to save some money, better then paying 18 hours or more a day for nearly the same results.

 

best vibes and stay save

 

When I started this I had an amazing cut of my bluezilla (new blue diesel x shackzilla). But it got some pathogen, wilted away and died, and any clones I took from it wouldn't root. This happened halfway through my construction. So I bought a bunch of seeds from dinafem for the previous round. This round that you see here was done with the 2 winning cuts from that. Now from these 2, I've narrowed down on 1 I want.

I have an RnD room but it's not quite finished. I'm running a couple phenos of killing fields in there.

I was interested in Sannies Jack but the prospect of 13 weeks of flowering makes it very difficult to swallow unless the yield is really 60% more than something that flowers in 8 weeks. I can go up to 10, or maybe 11. Beyond that isn't viable for me.

Maybe since the strain is shackzilla, I'll put like 6 under a single light instead of 2, and just give them enough veg time to start growing a set of true leaves and then flip em.

My concern is that I will not be able to tell which ones will do well in a 1 month veg + scrog setup. I feel growing them as 12/12 fs plants demands a completely different style of trimming and plant structure. 

Also hopefully if I veg them I can toss out the runts if any.

My biggest expense isn't electricity, it's time. 

I have definitely learnt a LOT about setting up these larger operations. Biggest lesson learnt is to not overestimate my capacity and to not underestimate the effort required.

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On 4/6/2021 at 5:37 PM, webeblzr said:

Fantastic grow!! I've not run anything that big. When I did run a room, and we had 40-50 hours of trimming, I would fill clean garbage bags of lowers (branches), and stuff them in a chest freezer. After my buds were hanging, I'd put some good gloves on, and hand strip, the frozen branches, not cutting, just gripping and pulling, into a large tote, for edibiles/hash/oil.

Probably not an option, but frozen leaf crumbles quickly and easy over snipsnipsnip. I did not have enough plants to justify a trimmer, but once a store was going out of business, I got myself a nice chest freezer, $200.00 that has only ever held weed for most part. Even my trimmings get frozen, so I can glove up, and crush a garbage bag of trimmings in a few minutes.

Again, wonderful grow!!

Thanks. I'm looking at chest freezers now as we speak. I'm going to give this a go with some of the shit for sure this round. Really appreciate it, comrade.

 

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Do you people press your trim in a rosin press as well? Or just bud?

Do you use the tiny pouches to keep the bud in?

What temperature do you press at for trimmings? What pressure?

I want to make dabs out of all my schwag, it sells better than oil since it looks lighter in colour. 2021 folks, and apparently, visually, shades of gold/khaki > black. 

Anyways, I have a 10 ton press, a PID controller, and 2 rectangular titanium plates.

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